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Why Are The Liberals So Nasty When They Don't Get Their Own Way?
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The US is doing well under the Trumpster yet the anti democracy brigade are getting increasingly nasty.
The US is doing well under the Trumpster yet the anti democracy brigade are getting increasingly nasty.
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I guess giving over the top ridiculous answers Kvalidir means yo uno longer have a reasonable argument. Unfortunatel
16:03 Sun 01st Jul 2018
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My personal opinion of Katie Hopkins holding up a severed head of Sadiq Khan - I would slate her left right and centre.
My opinion of Kathy Griffin doing the same with a severed head of Trump? I thought, “You silly cow - this is going to come back and bite you on the ass.”
The reason for my different reaction is because I am honest - I consider Hopkins and Trump (and Conway and Bannon) ‘the enemy’. I am not going to treat them fairly.
It’s the same with you, and TTT and Talbot. If you read a story about Jeremy Corbyn rushing into a burning orphanage, rescuing a dozen kids from the flames, you’d be demanding he’d be searched for a box of matches.
My personal opinion of Katie Hopkins holding up a severed head of Sadiq Khan - I would slate her left right and centre.
My opinion of Kathy Griffin doing the same with a severed head of Trump? I thought, “You silly cow - this is going to come back and bite you on the ass.”
The reason for my different reaction is because I am honest - I consider Hopkins and Trump (and Conway and Bannon) ‘the enemy’. I am not going to treat them fairly.
It’s the same with you, and TTT and Talbot. If you read a story about Jeremy Corbyn rushing into a burning orphanage, rescuing a dozen kids from the flames, you’d be demanding he’d be searched for a box of matches.
// I consider Hopkins and Trump (and Conway and Bannon) ‘the enemy’. I am not going to treat them fairly//
Yes, I think that's the key difference between us and the answer to the OP.
I see lots of "enemies" (= evil agenda), but I don't impute malice to everybody who disagrees with me. However stupidly.
Why can't you handle that very simple concept?
Yes, I think that's the key difference between us and the answer to the OP.
I see lots of "enemies" (= evil agenda), but I don't impute malice to everybody who disagrees with me. However stupidly.
Why can't you handle that very simple concept?
I disagree with lots of people, I very rarely hate them, and can often find I agree with them on other topics or can at least understand why they think the way they do, however some people are SO malicious (Katie Hopkins for example) that that isn't the case. Trump is a self serving egotist who has never had a meaningful thought in his whole sorry existence and functions on such a base level that inhumanity and all it's associated stupidity fall naturally from him. He is a very great evil in the world, seeking to divide and provoke, reacting erratically to things he doesn't understand and failing to take heed of his own people who do. He is very dangerous to a great many people, and for that reason alone I can feel quite okay in despising him.
//Why Are The Liberals So Nasty When They Don't Get Their Own Way?//
Having read through this thread I can only conclude that a long-cherished objective of the left has been realised – at least among its own ranks…. a classless society…. one devoid of any indication of breeding, dignity, or of any semblance of respect for anyone else. Truly ‘classless’.
Having read through this thread I can only conclude that a long-cherished objective of the left has been realised – at least among its own ranks…. a classless society…. one devoid of any indication of breeding, dignity, or of any semblance of respect for anyone else. Truly ‘classless’.
It's disappointing, although not perhaps surprising, that a discussion about the nastiness of *both* extremes of (American) politics has been turned into an attack on only (or, at least, mainly) the liberal nasties.
Clearly there's no point in pretending that the extreme left is littered with examples of people who we'd be better off without in political discourse (understatement), but nor is the problem confined there. And here, I think, lies the huge issue: everyone's busy blaming the other side and absolving their allies. I am guilty of this too: the Sanders incident I was inclined, initially, to have a wry smile at, but in the end it's a sad state of affairs when the White House spokesperson is cast out of a restaurant.
But if you're going to talk about this issue then think about what's going on in your own house. The "credit where it's due" series is not somehow a solution, nice as it may be to see. It's just a token gesture when, in the next breath, you talk about "Agent Cob" (based on rumours, at best, and completely unproven), refer to anyone who disagrees with you on Brexit as "Vichy British", "traitors" who should be "discarded" (including a somewhat ill-timed example of yours on the same day that Jo Cox was shot), "anti-British", etc. Clearly Trump, too, is as guilty of this as anyone else, if not more so -- or don't you remember his campaign speeches promising to lock up his opponent? Even in the middle of a debate, his ad lib of "because you'd be in jail", etc. While Trump may not have followed through on this, he still seems unable to shut up about "Crooked Hillary", and it's hard not to get the impression from his Twitter feed that he's champing at the bit when it comes to dealing with anyone he sees as an opponent.
I don't want to turn this into yet another anti-Trump rant, but the point is that if you take an article addressing the massive divide in politics, and the nastiness from both sides, and then just outright ignore the nastiness from your allies, then in no way are you addressing the actual problem. This has been going on in the US since long before Trump was president, and will certainly outlast him.
Clearly there's no point in pretending that the extreme left is littered with examples of people who we'd be better off without in political discourse (understatement), but nor is the problem confined there. And here, I think, lies the huge issue: everyone's busy blaming the other side and absolving their allies. I am guilty of this too: the Sanders incident I was inclined, initially, to have a wry smile at, but in the end it's a sad state of affairs when the White House spokesperson is cast out of a restaurant.
But if you're going to talk about this issue then think about what's going on in your own house. The "credit where it's due" series is not somehow a solution, nice as it may be to see. It's just a token gesture when, in the next breath, you talk about "Agent Cob" (based on rumours, at best, and completely unproven), refer to anyone who disagrees with you on Brexit as "Vichy British", "traitors" who should be "discarded" (including a somewhat ill-timed example of yours on the same day that Jo Cox was shot), "anti-British", etc. Clearly Trump, too, is as guilty of this as anyone else, if not more so -- or don't you remember his campaign speeches promising to lock up his opponent? Even in the middle of a debate, his ad lib of "because you'd be in jail", etc. While Trump may not have followed through on this, he still seems unable to shut up about "Crooked Hillary", and it's hard not to get the impression from his Twitter feed that he's champing at the bit when it comes to dealing with anyone he sees as an opponent.
I don't want to turn this into yet another anti-Trump rant, but the point is that if you take an article addressing the massive divide in politics, and the nastiness from both sides, and then just outright ignore the nastiness from your allies, then in no way are you addressing the actual problem. This has been going on in the US since long before Trump was president, and will certainly outlast him.
Jim's six to one half a dozen to the other argument doesn't describe the reality of street protest, campus bullying and de-platforming.
The bullies and thugs are overwhelmingly on the Left and are frequently supported by people who should no better. See my Maxine Water example above quoted from the article in the OP. Or Obama's and Hillary's support for the "hate speech" specialist Black Lives Matter.
Leftist speakers do not[i need security arrangements when they speak on campus. The majority of Trump supporters do [i]not]support KKK groups. Indeed, why should they, since the KKK was the military wing of the Democratic party in the South. You know, the party which fought for slavery and gave us Jim Crow.
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The bullies and thugs are overwhelmingly on the Left and are frequently supported by people who should no better. See my Maxine Water example above quoted from the article in the OP. Or Obama's and Hillary's support for the "hate speech" specialist Black Lives Matter.
Leftist speakers do not[i need security arrangements when they speak on campus. The majority of Trump supporters do [i]not]support KKK groups. Indeed, why should they, since the KKK was the military wing of the Democratic party in the South. You know, the party which fought for slavery and gave us Jim Crow.
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It's historically true that the Democratic party was the one filled with racists, but that's also now definitely history, and the Republicans are the ones to which the extreme right (racists, fundamentalist Christians, etc) flock. There has been a fundamental shift in the politics of both main US parties, the Republicans in particular swinging sharply to the right (on social politics, at least).
But it's a bit of a non sequitur anyway: no-one is legitimately arguing that the majority of Trump supporters are racists; rather, that the majority of racists support Trump. Nor was I trying to deny the problems of left-wing extremism, but this is an infection of *both* wings all the same.
Partly it's the setting. Since, in the main, the younger you are the further to the left you sit, then University politics is bound to be dominated by left-wingers, and therefore, by extension, by the extremist part of the left-wing movement. Taking another setting, such as the events in Charlottesville, or the protests outside abortion clinics, or the anti-Obama rallies when he was president, and you would find a different picture altogether.
But it's a bit of a non sequitur anyway: no-one is legitimately arguing that the majority of Trump supporters are racists; rather, that the majority of racists support Trump. Nor was I trying to deny the problems of left-wing extremism, but this is an infection of *both* wings all the same.
Partly it's the setting. Since, in the main, the younger you are the further to the left you sit, then University politics is bound to be dominated by left-wingers, and therefore, by extension, by the extremist part of the left-wing movement. Taking another setting, such as the events in Charlottesville, or the protests outside abortion clinics, or the anti-Obama rallies when he was president, and you would find a different picture altogether.
Jim's six to one half a dozen to the other argument doesn't describe the reality of street protest, campus bullying and de-platforming.
It also doesn’t describe the reality of #boycottstarbucks, the Pepsi boycott, the new-cons reaction to Netflix’s Dear White People, #boycottbudweiser, the online hatred and abuse directed to Colin Kaepernick, their completely thick-headed reaction to Apple’s stance on privacy.
Serious question - do you know what the Christian Right do in the US? Do you think it’s all hunky dory in the Bible Belt for all US citizens, no matter what their demographic?
It also doesn’t describe the reality of #boycottstarbucks, the Pepsi boycott, the new-cons reaction to Netflix’s Dear White People, #boycottbudweiser, the online hatred and abuse directed to Colin Kaepernick, their completely thick-headed reaction to Apple’s stance on privacy.
Serious question - do you know what the Christian Right do in the US? Do you think it’s all hunky dory in the Bible Belt for all US citizens, no matter what their demographic?
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