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dave50 | 17:56 Thu 01st Mar 2018 | News
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5449275/Gas-supply-run-demand-hits-six-year-high.html
Cut the supply to known environmentalists, global warming activists, climate change activists, the Green Party and anti fracking protesters. It is partly due to these idiots we are in this position.

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I never thought I would be so glad to be on oil.
However doesn't the article say that if and that is a big if it becomes a problem that industry would be restricted.
So really a bit of a non story. But it gives you a chance to blame a load of people that really are not to blame.
It's actually mainly due to the arch capitalists at Centrica - who decided that making a few quid for their investors was more important than security of Gas Supply - and equally the fault due of the Government (hello Mr Cameron) who let them close the Rough Storage facility which has kept us safe for so many years.

It was a ludicrous decision - marginal extra costs were apparently more important than keeping the lights/heat on.
Idiot.

The weather conditions we are experiencing are exceptional, and the energy companies do not store gas for exceptional circumstances because it is expensive.
It has nowt to do with fracking or the green party, it is purely down to economics and energy companies wanting to make more money (and not wasting it for a once in a generation event).
effing poor journalism.....

there is in place a very powerful model for working the pipeline system during heavy domestic demand. Simply put, there are major users across the UK such as steel works, breweries, glassworks, car plants, who use an enormous amount of gas on a daily basis - even major hospitals. These customers have what are called interruptible contracts - whereby they have to cut off the gas to release more product into the network during cold periods and switch to an alternative fuel, usually gasoil.....they get 5 hours notice and if they don't switch, there are enormous financial penalties. In return, they get cheaper deals for their load and offering the risk of this..... So there is plenty in the system....it's journo hype.
Rough gave an extra level of security, yes, but at a cost of maintenance....and the government wasn't going to pay for this.
The definition of 'generation' seems somewhat fluid.
I seem to remember a 'once in a generation' event in 2010.
exactly Doug, this ain't a 1963 or 1947......
and the cost of gas is one that the suppliers will have to absorb as it's just a blip in a year's economics.
Not Bovvered......they will switch off the "smart" meter supplies first.
Doesn't the industry know that it's colder in winter ? Or is this the wrong sort of temperature drop over the land ?
///The definition of 'generation' seems somewhat fluid.
I seem to remember a 'once in a generation' event in 2010.///

Aye,?
and has that “event” been repeated ?
and if yes, when?
Scaremongering !
During the winters of 1947 and 1963 the daytime temperature remained below freezing for more than two months. In the winter of 1981-82 the “Big Snow” lasted for almost six weeks. It snowed almost every day during that time and on one occasion it snowed heavily for almost 48 hours across almost all of the UK. I was at school in 1963 and do not recall my school closing even for a single day. I also had to travel ten miles every week to the school's playing fields to play football on a pitch from which the groundsman had kindly kept the lines clear of snow. We'd have been better off playing on concrete . We simply got on with it. They were “once in a generation” events. This "event" has lasted less than a week and is forecast to end shortly. There is simply no comparison between it and the earlier severe weather mentioned.

The only reason this weather has made the news is because a little snow has fallen. Even the amount of snow that has fallen is by no means exceptional. Where I live it has not even completely covered the grass in my garden (though it is showing signs of finally doing so this afternoon). This is just normal winter weather for the UK. It gets cold from time to time between October and April and very often in the UK the coldest conditions occur when there is no threat of snow.

No, the country faces no threat to its gas supplies. However, the same could not be said if the conditions were anything like the three seasons I mentioned. The UK relies on imports for over 60% of its gas supplies (mainly from counties that suffer harsher winters than us). The number of days most of its storage facilities can survive without replenishment is measured in single figures. Only two out of eight of the main stores can last longer. By contrast most counties in mainland Europe have around three months’ supply.

The gas suppliers are not coping with a once in a generation event. They are coping with a week’s worth of cold weather at the end of a fairly unremarkable winter. Ofgem has allowed them to abrogate their responsibility to provide energy security for the UK and any slightly unusual weather puts supplies under strain, with the inevitable sensationalist headlines.
NJ

You really are beyond the pale. How dare you put the recent brief bad weather event into historical context. How dare you point out the verifiable fact that the weather we are currently experiencing is not unprecedented, unusual or unexpected? Who do you think you are? Don't you know that any particularly bad weather event is the fault of anthropogenic carbon dioxide? Didn't you get the memo?

This will not do NJ. You need to reorientate your thinking.

Anthropogenic Climate Change [ACC] is real and unquestionable. This cold snap is due to ACC. As is any prolonged warm period that you care to mention. Also, ACC is responsible for less rain... and more rain as well. It's also responsible for less hurricanes and more hurricanes. It's responsible for... well it doesn't matter what particular weather event you care to mention – ACC is responsible.

Joking aside, it's interesting to note that all genuine scientific theories are subject to falsification. If a scientific theory isn't falsifiable, it isn't science, it's faith. For instance (and I know you know this but I'm doing this for the benefit of those who don't) the theory of evolution could be disproved if someone were to find modern human remains in the exact same strata as dinosaurs. Gravitation theory could be disproved if someone were to show that gravity in a specific place repeatedly violated the tenants of the 9.81m/s/s acceleration force, etc. ACC fails the test for a genuine scientific theory because it isn't falsifiable. It doesn't matter what the weather does, to the believer in ACC, it's the fault of man-made CO2.

Karl Popper must be spinning in his grave.
I called Gulliver an idiot on a thread the other day (because Gulliver is an idiot) and the post was yanked, and yet Gromit, a moderator no less, can call dave50 an idiot and yet his post is still there for all to see 36 hours later.

Do different rules apply to different people?
The theory of time travel being impossible could be disproved if someone were to find modern human remains in the exact same strata as dinosaurs.

The impossibility of anti-gravity affects could be disproved if someone were to show that gravity in a specific place repeatedly violated the tenants of the 9.81m/s/s acceleration force.
Different mods interpret and react differently, Dd.
But AB Royalty is exempt it would seem.
I can remember when what we've experienced this week was called 'The Weather'.

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