St Tony Has The Answer!

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43241776
We can stay in the EU as long as they address the problems. I wonder why Dave didn't try that? hang on!

[Zacs-Master]

As I said....cue some banal comment.....

[Jackdaw33]

I fail to see any banality in that comment.

[Garaman]

You can disagree with what the the Irish Prime Minister wants, NJ, that matters to nobody except yourself. I was just pointing out that you too were being 'disingenuous or deliberately mischievous' by trying to suggest he would be happy with a situation, when he wouldn't be.

[Zacs-Master]

You would. Democracy appears to be ok for leave voters as long as it’s ignored when it causes an issue with Brexit.

[Jackdaw33]

What a fatuous comment. In a nationwide referendum the vote was 52-48% leave. How has democracy been ignored?

[Zacs-Master]

It’s being ignored because the NI borders situation was always going to be a major stumbling block in the Brexit negotiations. If you think it’s democratic to ignore the votes of the NI populace over a major issue then your as daft as the rest of the leave voters.

[Zacs-Master]

You’re

[Jackdaw33]

I can't see the problem, soft border or hard border. People and goods will still be able to come and go. In any case the tail should not wag the dog.

[Zacs-Master]

It shouldn’t. But it seems to be. Ain’t politics fascinating?

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU Referendum by a majority of 56% to 44%. - no doubt there are some streets that voted remain too, probably some households should they all be handled separately? See how silly you look by quoting areas of the UK? the vote was for the whole UK, geddit?

[Khandro]

TTT; ^^ That's what I said last night, but apparently it's "banal".

[Theland]

If we want a hard border then so be it. We should not succumb to threats of violence from anybody.
Blair is a proven liar and should stay quiet. Notice he didn't say anything about making the Euro club democratic. He has design on it for himself.

[mushroom25]

//Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU Referendum by a majority of 56% to 44%. //

the DUP could always do the decent thing by their electorate and stay in the EU - they can cede themselves to the republic.

[Khandro]

mush; //they can cede themselves to the republic.//

Don't you think that might be just a wee bit contentious?

[New Judge]

"the DUP could always do the decent thing by their electorate and stay in the EU - they can cede themselves to the republic."

Delusions of grandeur, methinks. I don't think the Northern Ireland Assembly (should it ever reform) has the powers to break the province away from the UK.

The Irish border issue is a non-event magnified out of all proportion by the EU in an effort to destabilise the "negotiations". The EU has land borders with countries that are not EU members and not members of the Customs Union and no "hard" facilities exist. They are only suggesting the Irish situation is incompatible with our departure because it suits them.

[Zacs-Master]

As I said, you leave voters seem to appplaud democracy when it goes in your favour. When it comes to a critical element of Brexit ie NI, you seem to abandon those principles in favour of some blanket coverage. Laughable.

[Theland]

And democracy ?

[New Judge]

"When it comes to a critical element of Brexit ie NI, you seem to abandon those principles in favour of some blanket coverage."

Te democratic will of the majority who voted was to leave the EU. The democratic will of the people of both the UK and Ireland is for there to be no hard border in Ireland. There is no reason whatsoever why both these wishes cannot be accommodated. There are no democratic principles being abandoned by facilitating those wishes. Quite the opposite, in fact. If they are not accommodated then the will of the people (which is, after all, the very essence of democracy) will be ignored. And it will be ignored because of the intransigence of an unelected bunch of foreign civil servants who see the wishes of the people as a threat to their ideals.

[Zacs-Master]

The NI situation tipifies why Brexit is such a farce and demonstrates the lack of forethought applied to the process. As for tryout last sentence NJ, I have oft asked the question......What did we all expect to happen with a pro European Union government negotiating to leave said union?

[ToraToraTora]

so what are you saying ZM? that we should never have held the referendum because we have issues to resolve?