Why Is Barmpot Bothered About The Irish Border?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43001931
they don't seem to give a rats plaster about their other borders do they?

[Jackdaw33]

If Barmpot wants a hard border he'd better talk to Eire. Nothing to do with us. There was a soft border long before we joined the EU so why should it be any different when we leave?

[Khandro]

jack; //There was a soft border long before we joined the EU so why should it be any different when we leave?//

Illegal immigration wasn't a real problem then, and some goods may become differently priced (fags and booze etc.) leading to cross border criminal activity

[Jackdaw33]

//...some goods may become differently priced (fags and booze etc.) leading to cross border criminal activity\\

That's been going on for centuries, nothing new there.

[ummmm]

I'm not talking about illegals, for goodness sake.

No one knows what border controls the UK will put in place after brexit.

[Kromovaracun]

//There was a soft border long before we joined the EU so why should it be any different when we leave?//

Erm, because Ireland are now part of the EU and we won't be. At the time you're talking about, neither of us were - and we joined simultaneously.

This unwillingness to acknowledge that the modern world exists, or the bizarre conviction that it will just go away if we ignore it, is really concerning.

[Jackdaw33]

What difference does it make if Eire are in the EU and we are not? Sounds a load of beaulocks to me.

[Togo]

If the EUSSR insist on a hard border, resulting in the rise of Nationalist terrorism again, will they go and plant bombs in Brussels?

[Jackdaw33]

One can but hope...

[webbo3]

Ummm

\\I'm not talking about illegals, for goodness sake.

No one knows what border controls the UK will put in place after brexit.//


If they are legal and have passports why would they go to the trouble of reaching the uk via Ireland, when I go on holiday to Tenerife after Brexit I wont go via Ireland.

[Kromovaracun]

//What difference does it make if Eire are in the EU and we are not?//

Because the EU is a trading bloc, Jack. And that necessarily means that trade within it is given preferential treatment to trade from without. This is why bespoke deals like the recent ones with Japan and Canada were so elaborate to arrange.

That means if you have a border with the bloc, and you don't join its customs union or the single market, then you need to have a hard border.

[Jackdaw33]

If cheap booze and fags enter NI via Eire and thence to the rest of the UK I for one will not be complaining.

[foxspur]

If the EU wants a hard border, let them install the paraphernalia on the Eire side of the border. We can hold our hands up and disclaim all responsibility.

[Zacs-Master]

Nothing to do with the EU ‘wanting’ one. It’s a consequence of us leaving the customs union (if Mrs M doesn’t to a U turn).

[Kromovaracun]

//If the EU wants a hard border, let them install the paraphernalia on the Eire side of the border. We can hold our hands up and disclaim all responsibility.//

Brilliant. We can have our only land border controlled from Brussels.

#takingbackcontrol

[Jackdaw33]

As NI voted to remain perhaps it is time to have a united Ireland. The brolly brigade can moan all they like.

[cassa333]

It's probably the only real way he can hit us.... If we let him.

Now I shall read the replays already posted to see what everyone else thinks.

[cassa333]

What do they propose is needed for this 'hard boarder'.

Should it be for the trade or people that it would be needed?

[KARL]

There are effectively two aspects to the border issue, regarding a) people and b) goods. With reference to the EU's border with Norway, because Norway is a member of Schengen the question of monitoring the movement of people is in effect cancelled/solved/removed. On the other hand, there is full monitoring of the movement of goods and the system used has been featured fairly extensively in the various news-type media, particularly television. They do care about the movement of goods at that border and others.

[foxspur]

Zacs- I should have said if the EU feels it necessary (having said they won't accept a hard border) to have one, then let them incur the opprobrium of the Dublin government.
Korom- we have no control over illegal immigration via the Irish border at the moment. We can operate checks at other places without setting our customs people up to be bombed/ shot. A hard border operated by us will not work.

[Old_Geezer]

There will be a border. There is at present. It can remain the same unless the EU are determined to cause trouble. In which case, having decided a closed border is to be insisted on they will instruct Eire to stop the open border arrangement despite the UK upholding their side of the agreement to leave it open. Those responsible will inevitably be Eire and their EU masters.

As for Barnier, he's just causing trouble whilst trying to look as if butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Basic EU control tactics. In this case trying to force NI, and thus the UK, as one part can't be in whilst another's out, to stay in the EU in all but name. As a bonus for Eire, the daft negotiation suggestion to avoid the issue, might encourage further demands for a united Ireland. Not that any Westminster politician should give it even a moment's consideration. As I said, trouble making.