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He was known to MI5 tho, Andy.
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Garaman, I’ll try to make it clearer. Roman Catholics consider themselves to be British, Spanish. Italian, French, etc., etc. Islamists consider themselves to be Muslim. The reason I switched to ‘the madmen of Islam’ is because they are.
Talbot. //So the problem is not immigration it is Islam? //
Spot on…. and for that reason the fewer Islamists we let into Europe the safer we will be.
Talbot. //So the problem is not immigration it is Islam? //
Spot on…. and for that reason the fewer Islamists we let into Europe the safer we will be.
It was me Emmie. I named him yesterday @ 15.30 on this thread.
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Now I can go to bed and sleep tight;-)
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Now I can go to bed and sleep tight;-)
Talbot - //So rule alert
So the problem is not immigration it is Islam? //
No point alerting people to something that's not there - starting a post with the word 'So ... ' is not sufficient, you have to follow it with something the original post did not say, and preferably then disagree with it.
Do try and keep up.
So the problem is not immigration it is Islam? //
No point alerting people to something that's not there - starting a post with the word 'So ... ' is not sufficient, you have to follow it with something the original post did not say, and preferably then disagree with it.
Do try and keep up.
Naomi if you are saying that all Muslims are madmen I think that is an awful claim.
//Spot on…. and for that reason the fewer Islamists we let into Europe the safer we will be.'// I am not sure that is the case, and that we might in fact be in greater danger from those who are already in Europe from such action. You clearly have a greater knowledge of Islam than I have, and I suspect greater than most on here, and I have learnt a lot from your posts, but there is a world of difference between having knowledge and being a person with the ability to foresee the best way forward. You may have taught me a lot about Islam but you haven't put forward anything that makes me think we should follow your advice in that regard.
//Spot on…. and for that reason the fewer Islamists we let into Europe the safer we will be.'// I am not sure that is the case, and that we might in fact be in greater danger from those who are already in Europe from such action. You clearly have a greater knowledge of Islam than I have, and I suspect greater than most on here, and I have learnt a lot from your posts, but there is a world of difference between having knowledge and being a person with the ability to foresee the best way forward. You may have taught me a lot about Islam but you haven't put forward anything that makes me think we should follow your advice in that regard.
Garaman, //I am not sure that is the case, and that we might in fact be in greater danger from those who are already in Europe from such action.//
If you mean that placation will somehow appease the Muslim world, it won’t. Whatever we do they’re never going to affiliate with us and it’s a mistake to think they might. People in the west often assume that other human beings think as they do, and that everyone possesses a similar rationale and sense of humanity and justice, but they don’t. Islam hates the west and it always will. The best way forward is to acknowledge that and to recognise exactly what we’re dealing with. This is a mindset like no other. Whether you agree with me or not is, of course, your choice.
If you mean that placation will somehow appease the Muslim world, it won’t. Whatever we do they’re never going to affiliate with us and it’s a mistake to think they might. People in the west often assume that other human beings think as they do, and that everyone possesses a similar rationale and sense of humanity and justice, but they don’t. Islam hates the west and it always will. The best way forward is to acknowledge that and to recognise exactly what we’re dealing with. This is a mindset like no other. Whether you agree with me or not is, of course, your choice.
Naomi, what I am saying is that there are already many millions of Muslims in Europe. If you think it practical to ship them out of Europe you are living on cloud-cuckoo-land. There are extremists amongst them, far too many for my liking, and there would likely be more if we treat the Muslim community as you suggest. Like it or not we have to learn to live together.
