Well Done Jezza.....

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38788440
JC is going up in my estimations all the time. Don't like his politics at all but he's a thoroughly decent chap. He sees where many cannot that Parliament must implement the democratic will of the majority. Thanks Jezza.

[mikey4444]

TTT....I have been telling you this for ages !

[ToraToraTora]

rubbish gromit, for one thing the counting areas did not all match constituencies anyway and even if they did this was not a general election in was UK wide pure binary choice. If Parliament must vote on it they should be merely a rubber stamp.

[Gromit]

Tora,
Just 42% of the electorate entitled to vote, voted for Brexit. It should not be rubber stamped, the invoke vote should represent the 58% who didn't vote leave.

If MPs vote according to how their constituents voted, which I am supporting, then the vote to invoke will win.
If MPs (on both Partys) ignore their electorate, then the bill could struggle.

[Jackdaw33]

The passing of the Bill in the Commons is a given. The Lords might prove more difficult, but the worst they can do is delay it for twelve months.

[gulliver1]

Gawd, the big worry is , the USA now have their very own version of TTT
it's called Trump The Tyrant, Gawd help us all.

[ToraToraTora]

still playing silly games with the numbers gromit? On that basis on 41% of Scotts voted to remain! PMSL It's was a UK wide 1 person 1 vote pure binary choice. Those that did not vote have no relevance.end of.

[Gromit]

Jackdaw,
I can't find the actual numbers, but two thirds of MPs were Remainers. Cross Party. Presumably Mrs May will enforce a whip on Conservative MPs, as well as Corbyn. But there will be rebels on both Parties I would guess.
In terms of Labour, acts of defiance against the leader are de rigeur. Corbyn is toothless and there will be many rebels. Probably less on the Conservative side, but There will be some.

[Old_Geezer]

This issue has moved on from thr referendum result and passing the bill is not a question of whether we should stay or leave; so how an MP's constituents voted in the referendum is not the relevant factor. It is whether one believes in Democracy and votes in accordance with that belief, or feels that the masses should think themselves lucky and do as they're commanded by the elites who in control. The question is a different one to that asked of the people.

[Jackdaw33]

Apart from the oleaginous Kenneth Clarke I cannot think of any other Tory MP who be foolish enough to rebel.

[jourdain2]

Whatever the ins-and-outs of this question, I, too, have found my respect for Corbyn increasing for some time. He is honest to his beliefs and joins a refined list, which includes Enoch Powell, so far as I am concerned!

[ToraToraTora]

most of the Tories will vote to invoke + at least 50 labour so, the others won't matter.

[Gromit]

54 SNP won't.

The vote will be passed, but it won't be rubber stamped, there will be some desent.

[ToraToraTora]

couldn't care less as long as is passes.

[mikey4444]

I too think the Bill will pass, but not by a huge majority.

[Ninefingers]

Parliament will not overrule the will of the people if they do Anarchy will follow!

[Gromit]

There is no doubt that the Commons will vote to invoke.

And that is the right vote.

But it won't be 100%, and that also is correct.

[Gromit]

And Corbyn is behaving despicably, and needs to go asap.

[Jackdaw33]

I predict that the majority in favour will be in three figures.

[New Judge]

“Jo Stevens constituents voted 60% to Remain.”

How does anybody know?

“Just 42% of the electorate entitled to vote, voted for Brexit…the invoke vote should represent the 58% who didn't vote leave.”

I don’t quite understand your figures (or your logic). 72% of those entitled to vote did so. Of those, 52% voted to leave and 48% to remain. Therefore 37.4% of those entitled to vote voted to leave whilst 34.5% of them voted to remain. The other 28% didn’t bother. So, adapting your (somewhat illogical) logic using the correct figures, 65.4% didn’t vote to stay whilst 62.5% didn’t vote to leave. But of course the logic is flawed because people did not vote “Not to Leave” or “Not to Remain”. They voted to leave or remain and turning the question round and adding the non-voters to either or both sides is simply confusing.

MPs rarely represent their constituents’ wishes. They are usually Whipped into line. On this particular issue six out of seven MPs agreed to a referendum. It is reasonable to believe that that same proportion might agree that the outcome should be respected (as the Prime Minister at the time said it would). Unless, of course, the outcome is “wrong”.

[Old_Geezer]

It should be 100℅ as otherwise some democratic representatives of the people are confessing that they don't really believe in Democracy, and only use it as a means to an end; a personal influence to get what they want.