Good For Her!

[Sqad]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4028108/I-don-t-want-sit-screaming-baby-Mother-carrying-infant-denied-class-seat-passengers-angry-hasn-t-paid-right.html

Who does she think she is? Having a baby is not a modern innovation it has been going on for centuries.
If I had bought a first class ticket I would not have been best please to sit next to a woman with a screaming baby even if she HAD bought a first class ticket and would have been infuriated to learn that she HADN'T purchased the appropriate ticket.

It was quite correct that she should have been......evicted.

[ummmm]

I have thought about that, jno..

Talbot...what point are we missing?

[bhg481]

jno - the newspaper bullet-points state that she hadn't got a first class ticket.

[naomi24]

jno, I wondered how anyone knew she didn't have a first class ticket, but it seems she didn't. Otherwise there wouldn't have been a problem.

[gness]

We turn out the lights and keep quiet when you come to the door, Talbot...:-)

Thanks Ummmm.

Andy....I have two and had we been in that carriage....with our first class tickets of course.....I know who I'd have pointed out as someone whose example and behaviour you don't follow......x

[EDDIE51]

Mikey by Swansea up to Town I assume you mean London? That is classed as a long distance journey, as I said reserved seats are available on Long Distance journeys. This incident was on a 'local' service.

[naomi24]

gness, do you know someone who was in that carriage?

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // andy-hughes, you’re making your point clear – that you are morally superior to we ‘snobs' - and you're far busier too - not that that has anything to do with my post you quoted. //

This where we differ - you are fixated with the idea of who is 'superior' to whom - and I couldn't care less!

I am not superior, neither or you, neither is the lady with the baby, or the lady with the bag.

The only issue arises when people assume a level of superiority to which they are not entitled - and that is the actual root of the issue here, not tickets.

[gness]

Naomi.....I don't know.

Ihave probably seen as much as you. A nasty elderly woman who wanted a seat for her luggge...... a mum carrying a baby and a gentleman explaining the announcement at the last station.

That should have been enough for some give and take.

[Barmaid]

It seems to me to be irrelevant whether she had a first class ticket or not. Someone clearly states in the video that the train had been declassified at the last station.

I do think the young woman was in the wrong for demanding she be respected because she had a baby.

I also think though that this had nothing to do with whether she had a first class ticket or not, the older lady just wanted a double seat to herself. Funny how she dropped the idea of a first class ticket after the gentleman interjected and then started saying she had a stinking cold. Although her phrase that she should be respected as a "better" is, frankly, redolent of the Victorian era. She's the sort of person I imagine saying "Dont you know who I am?" as if it gives her some sort of entitlement.

Just a real shame that in difficult travelling circumstances some people just cant get along.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, the only claim to superiority here is your moral superiority. This is about paying for a ticket to travel in a chosen carriage.

[-Talbot-]

Most of this thread is about whether a passenger without a first class ticket should be allowed into the first class seating area ... what many are not acknowledging is this

''Another passenger points out that at the last station 'that because of Southern problems you can travel in any part of the train''

So most of the answers 'for or against' are totally irrelevant

[naomi24]

Talbot, one passenger said that but the train company didn't confirm that it applied on that journey. Far from it. I think that's the problem here.

[ummmm]

Talbot - I don't think that was what Sqad wanted to debate.

[Sqad]

talbot.

'Another passenger points out that at the last station 'that because of Southern problems you can travel in any part of the train''

Not very conclusive evidence.........."another passenger"

[jno]

bhg - the newspaper offers no evidence for its bullet-point. Neither it seems did anyone on the train. They just assumed.

Otherwise there wouldn't have been a problem.

naomi, I wonder if there really was a problem - apart from a woman who wanted a second first-class seat for her bag and refused to move it.

[Sqad]

Off to my Club now.......no women and certainly no babies allowed.

[jno]

one person said Southern had told passengers to sit anywhere.

One person said the mother didn't have a first-class ticket.

How do people choose which one person they believe?

[Barmaid]

I'd say that was a bonus for women and babies.........

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - //andy-hughes, the only claim to superiority here is your moral superiority. This is about paying for a ticket to travel in a chosen carriage. //

You are determined - again - to make this a personal issue about me and my attitude.

My point is - I don't have an attitude!

But you are determined not to see me making this point, both generally on the thread, and in response to you specifically, so there is no point in you and I exchanging further on this thread, we must agree to differ I think.

[andy-hughes]

jno - //one person said Southern had told passengers to sit anywhere.

One person said the mother didn't have a first-class ticket.

How do people choose which one person they believe? //

As I have opined numerous times on this thread - if people stopped worrying about other people getting 'something for nothing', and simply let a tired mum with a baby sit down, there would be no problem.