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Who does she think she is? Having a baby is not a modern innovation it has been going on for centuries.
If I had bought a first class ticket I would not have been best please to sit next to a woman with a screaming baby even if she HAD bought a first class ticket and would have been infuriated to learn that she HADN'T purchased the appropriate ticket.
It was quite correct that she should have been......evicted.
Who does she think she is? Having a baby is not a modern innovation it has been going on for centuries.
If I had bought a first class ticket I would not have been best please to sit next to a woman with a screaming baby even if she HAD bought a first class ticket and would have been infuriated to learn that she HADN'T purchased the appropriate ticket.
It was quite correct that she should have been......evicted.
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//Why is that selfish? People pay for First Class in order to travel more comfortably. //
Dynamic pricing. Whether you travel by train, bus, boat or plane it'll be a miracle if you've ever sitting next to someone who paid the same as you. If you got what you paid for, that's it. It's plointless fuming because your neighbour paid less (or smirking because he paid more): that's the way Britain runs.
Dynamic pricing. Whether you travel by train, bus, boat or plane it'll be a miracle if you've ever sitting next to someone who paid the same as you. If you got what you paid for, that's it. It's plointless fuming because your neighbour paid less (or smirking because he paid more): that's the way Britain runs.
ichkeria, //The only possible reason for the complaint was simply that the person had not paid the same money for the ticket. To my mind, that is selfish.//
Of course other people would be miffed to be paying premium prices when others are paying far less and taking advantage of the same facilities. I ask again. Why is it selfish?
donny48, As far as I can tell from the report just one passenger said that. There is no confirmation from the train company that it applied on that particular journey. They said ‘Passengers using priority seats in first class should still have a valid first class ticket unless first class has been declassified due to disruption.'
Of course other people would be miffed to be paying premium prices when others are paying far less and taking advantage of the same facilities. I ask again. Why is it selfish?
donny48, As far as I can tell from the report just one passenger said that. There is no confirmation from the train company that it applied on that particular journey. They said ‘Passengers using priority seats in first class should still have a valid first class ticket unless first class has been declassified due to disruption.'
The OP - and the following posts in support of the First Class passenger - especially ymb's
//I stopped using first class when they continually allowed scum into the carriage. //
demonstrate admirably that the last bastion of in-built class snobbery and unfounded superiority lies firmly in the 'class' system of train travel.
If I buy a First Class seat on a train, it allows me to travel in First Class.
Nowhere on the Terms and Conditions does it confer on me the right to make an arbitrary decision about the suitability of others who may share the carriage with me.
And amen to that! You'd have people objecting to passengers who were not wearing a suit, or who had on trainers not spats - where on earth do you draw the ludicrous small-minded petty snobbish selfish line?
If I was seated in a First Class carriage and any passenger of any age, social status, and parent status sat next to me, I would not consider it my right to start objecting to their presence - it is not my business how the train company allocates its seats.
But - if a tired harassed and grateful mum with a happy baby sat next to me, I would be happy to have a chat with her about her little one, not be offering her a lesson in civics which she did not ask for and does not need.
Had I been a witness, I would have offered my seat to the young mother, as did the kind gentleman in the carriage.
The ignorant, arrogant snobbish chippy baggage of a woman who caused the fuss should be utterly ashamed of herself.
//I stopped using first class when they continually allowed scum into the carriage. //
demonstrate admirably that the last bastion of in-built class snobbery and unfounded superiority lies firmly in the 'class' system of train travel.
If I buy a First Class seat on a train, it allows me to travel in First Class.
Nowhere on the Terms and Conditions does it confer on me the right to make an arbitrary decision about the suitability of others who may share the carriage with me.
And amen to that! You'd have people objecting to passengers who were not wearing a suit, or who had on trainers not spats - where on earth do you draw the ludicrous small-minded petty snobbish selfish line?
If I was seated in a First Class carriage and any passenger of any age, social status, and parent status sat next to me, I would not consider it my right to start objecting to their presence - it is not my business how the train company allocates its seats.
But - if a tired harassed and grateful mum with a happy baby sat next to me, I would be happy to have a chat with her about her little one, not be offering her a lesson in civics which she did not ask for and does not need.
Had I been a witness, I would have offered my seat to the young mother, as did the kind gentleman in the carriage.
The ignorant, arrogant snobbish chippy baggage of a woman who caused the fuss should be utterly ashamed of herself.
It seems to me that its not relevant in any way whether this woman had a baby with her or not, screaming or not. If the baby was screaming, then it would cause some people distress where ever it was, first or second class !
The issue is that she didn't have a first class ticket !
Why do some people have to make these simple questions so complicated ?
The issue is that she didn't have a first class ticket !
Why do some people have to make these simple questions so complicated ?
Baldric - //If I paid to travel First-class I would not be happy with someone from Cattle-class just wandering in and occupying a seat they were not entitled to. //
I can only repeat the essence of my point - buying a First Class ticket gives you access to a First Class eat, it doesn't make you a 'First Class' person - it just appears that it makes you think you are one, and entitled to behave accordingly.
I would suggest that you are only buying a seat in a section of a train - not a pass to social superiority over other people.
I can only repeat the essence of my point - buying a First Class ticket gives you access to a First Class eat, it doesn't make you a 'First Class' person - it just appears that it makes you think you are one, and entitled to behave accordingly.
I would suggest that you are only buying a seat in a section of a train - not a pass to social superiority over other people.
Naomi - // Baldric at 10.32. That's the point. Why pay a premium price for a service when you can get the same for a lot less? //
You only 'get the same for a lot less' if seating at your level of ticket is unavailable.
Why on earth are people being so small-minded about this?
The only way this argument would fly would be if a First Class ticket holder was evicted from their seat so that a Standard Class ticket holder could have it - anything else is petty snobbish meanness.
You only 'get the same for a lot less' if seating at your level of ticket is unavailable.
Why on earth are people being so small-minded about this?
The only way this argument would fly would be if a First Class ticket holder was evicted from their seat so that a Standard Class ticket holder could have it - anything else is petty snobbish meanness.
Naomi - //andy-hughes, //You only 'get the same for a lot less' if seating at your level of ticket is unavailable.//
We don't know that applied in this instance. //
If I was seated in my First Class seat on a train, and someone sat next to me, I have two choices -
I can sit and fret about whether or not they have paid less than me, and are getting 'something for nothing' - and then start wondering about everyone else in the carriage ...
Of I can enjoy my book, or some music, or a chat with my neighbour, or look out of the window, and not waste my valuable time worrying about something that is not my business, and which I cannot alter.
Which do you think I'd go for?
We don't know that applied in this instance. //
If I was seated in my First Class seat on a train, and someone sat next to me, I have two choices -
I can sit and fret about whether or not they have paid less than me, and are getting 'something for nothing' - and then start wondering about everyone else in the carriage ...
Of I can enjoy my book, or some music, or a chat with my neighbour, or look out of the window, and not waste my valuable time worrying about something that is not my business, and which I cannot alter.
Which do you think I'd go for?
This was, it seems, a perfectly normal individual, admittedly with a baby, but a quiet one.
The brutal truth is we don't like people sitting next to us on trains (I was in a carriage recently and lost count of the number of bags on seats and people trying to look invisible). I would not be averse to a polite "You do realise this is a first class carriage" of course. But honestly some of the reaction from those passengers are simply vile
The brutal truth is we don't like people sitting next to us on trains (I was in a carriage recently and lost count of the number of bags on seats and people trying to look invisible). I would not be averse to a polite "You do realise this is a first class carriage" of course. But honestly some of the reaction from those passengers are simply vile
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Take a look at that..........I would object to that sitting next to me.
Now, if it was a well dressed, nicely coiffured, perfumed sans child....that would be a different matter.......there again she would have had a first class ticket.
Take a look at that..........I would object to that sitting next to me.
Now, if it was a well dressed, nicely coiffured, perfumed sans child....that would be a different matter.......there again she would have had a first class ticket.
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