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Quizmonster | 11:16 Thu 03rd Nov 2016 | News
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Parliament - not just Government - has a say in enacting Article 50, according to the High Court's decision just announced.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/03/parliament-must-trigger-brexit-high-court-rules
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Togo....you show you don't understand what this ruling means at all !

The Judiciary is independent and act of points of law, not point of politics.

The High Court has upheld Parliaments right to make important decisions...
we should be applauding that, and not attacking the High Court, by using daft and ill-thought out phrases like "disaffected self serving lawyers"

Anyway, whether you like of not, Mrs May and the Government have lost the case here.

The irony of all this is that if she had agreed to let Parliament vote of Article 50, Parliament would probably have voted for it.
Jim we crossed in the post, and yes, I agree.

But Mrs May's arrogance has now left her and her Government up a creek without a paddle, when it could so easily have been avoided.

Very poor management and judgement on her part.
If the vote had gone the other way there would have been nothing to debate! No Article 50, no repeal of 40 years of legislation, no complex trade negotiations. We could have got on our lives :-)
//Remember today, the day that democracy in Britain died. We are indeed ruled by the self serving lawyers. Proof if ever it was needed of the impending new world order where millions are enslaved by a few//

Well said Togo

//UKIP will never rise again, at least not in the immediate future, The very wealthy backer was on the radio yesterday morning, saying that he was going to drop out, because the Party was in such a mess. And a mess it is most definitely in.....it can't even elect a leader, let alone any more MPs. //

Wrong, if anything could inspire a real upsurge in the fortunes of UKIP and any other far right parties it's the threat that parliament might not vote the with the will of the people. Lefties and remainers beat away at your drums, odd how many of them on Socila Media are shouting about Justice. Crux is; the will of the people was laughed at in the High Court this morning, sadly
Ichkeria....I disagree slightly there.

Europe has always been a bone of contention for the Tory Party, and even if the result had gone the other way, many Tories, and others, would still have continued to whinge and moan, well into the future.
I'm looking forward to the moment when the Government decides that it has to appeal this decision at the level of European Courts...
Ninefingers....you and Mrs May lost today !

UKIP can't even meet in a closed room without throwing punches at each other. The last Leader managed to go for just 18 days, before she ran off with an attack of the vapours.

If you are waiting for the UKIP Cavalry to ride over the horizon, by winning dozens of new seats in Parliament, you will have a very long wait ! After many, many years of campaigning, they are still left with a singe seat in the HOC.

Aaron Banks, who has been single-handedly bank roling the Party, saiid this recently :::

"If Neil Hamilton and Douglas Carswell [UKIP's only MP] remain in the party, and the NEC decide that Steven Woolfe cannot run for leader, I will be leaving UKIP "

Yesterday, on the Today Program he said this :::

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37845626

He also called UKIP's one MP, Douglas Carswell, a "pain in the backside" and urged him to rejoin the Conservatives.
Jim.....lol !

Actually, that is not beyond the realms of possibility....I hope I am still here to see it !
How can it be right that three unelected high court judges can overrule the democratic vote of a referendum that was approved by an act of Parliament by mps who are elected by the electorate?
Just who the hell is this Gina Miller any case and what the f@*&k gives her the right to challenge the decision of the UK. I bet she is an Eu Resident of the uk
Umm... because they haven't overruled the democratic result of the referendum?

This is about the process, not the decision.
Also, at least one of the people who led the court challenge was someone who voted *for* Brexit.
total cobblers but irrelevant anyway, turkeys don't vote for xmas. they'll approve it. Nothing to see here. Order up another truck load of sour grapes.
Ichkeria:"They did not speak decisively and many did not know what they were saying:-)
Having this debated by elected representatives is good " - so what on your planet is not decisive about a binary vote going one way or the other? It's about as clean as it gets.
//Just who the hell is this Gina Miller//

Miller, 51, was born in Guyana but grew up in Britain and currently works as an investment manager at London-based firm SCM Private – a company she founded with her husband in 2014.Prior to this Miller, who studied marketing and resource management at the University of London, previously briefly worked as a model before working as a marketing and event manager at BMW in 1990. She met her husband, Andy, following the breakdown of his second marriage. He is described as the original "Mr Hedge Fund" after amassing a fortune of more than £30m working in the City........ Euromaniacs.
Eddie: “Excellent news for both sides, we were in danger of being 'railroaded' into it without proper discussion.”
Proper discussion was had by the public and they voted, end of.

The chair: “Interesting that 32% of the electorate voted out and this is described by a government spokesman as "the will of the people",
Nope 52% of the vote was out, you cannot know what non voters would have voted.

Mikey: “A victory for common sense and justice. Parliament should be deciding what happens, not a clique at Number Ten.”
The public have decided mikey. The electorate is the overriding authority here.

I suppose the remainiacs see this as another chance to thwart democracy but to them I say just go and munch on a punnet.
The PM will force this through one way or another.
Just be thankful we live in a country where the judiciary is independent of the executive. It isn't just nasty old Brussels and Strasbourg that can rap govts over the knuckles :-)
//Ninefingers....you and Mrs May lost today !

UKIP can't even meet in a closed room without throwing punches at each other. The last Leader managed to go for just 18 days, before she ran off with an attack of the vapours.

If you are waiting for the UKIP Cavalry to ride over the horizon, by winning dozens of new seats in Parliament, you will have a very long wait ! After many, many years of campaigning, they are still left with a singe seat in the HOC.

Aaron Banks, who has been single-handedly bank roling the Party, saiid this recently :::

"If Neil Hamilton and Douglas Carswell [UKIP's only MP] remain in the party, and the NEC decide that Steven Woolfe cannot run for leader, I will be leaving UKIP "

Yesterday, on the Today Program he said this :::

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37845626

He also called UKIP's one MP, Douglas Carswell, a "pain in the backside" and urged him to rejoin the Conservatives. //

Ahh Mikey, you over estimate my importance and sense of loss, I lost nothing today other than my faith in the will of the people of this country and the democratic sanctity of a vote. Instead a precedence has been set whereby every constitutional element of our existance will be judged by yet more unelected people, lawyers really are the leeches of the world.

You also underestimate the power of the people and as you and the jubilant remainers sit back and stroke your egos in the hope that somehow parliament will contrive to block Brexit it takes a very small group of the 17mill plus to join UKIP or the other right wing parties and become a force in UK politics. It can happen and will happen because those who felt they might now have a voice that the government would listen to have had the two fingers stuck up at them by a bunch of non-entities who are only interested in their own best interests.
Coldstream....the judges haven't overruled anything....why don't you read the ruling properly ?

They have judged that Parliament should be consulted about Article 50, and that is all. Its about democracy....and Judges are always appointed, not elected.

TTT...The electorate is the overriding authority here. ...wrong again....Parliament is the overriding authority, and always has been.
....who elects parliament mikey?
The authority of Parliament was passed to the electorate when the referendum was called. It says nothing about the authority going back to Parliament if the result didn't suit the judiciary.

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