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Taking Into Consideration What Is Happening In Europe, Is The Uk Being Too Lax?
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If you spin it (and all media do) for effect - 2,000 to 1, it looks like the authorities just don't care.
But the fact is, you can't curfew someone for what you think they may be thinking, or prosecute them in advance of what they may or may not do.
On that basis, you can know about two thousand potential terrorists, but do absolutely nothing because nothing has been done, or proved yet.
So when you take a step back and apply a little logic, and legal restraint - the whole Gosh! Look at This!! Whatever Next!!! evaporates.
But the fact is, you can't curfew someone for what you think they may be thinking, or prosecute them in advance of what they may or may not do.
On that basis, you can know about two thousand potential terrorists, but do absolutely nothing because nothing has been done, or proved yet.
So when you take a step back and apply a little logic, and legal restraint - the whole Gosh! Look at This!! Whatever Next!!! evaporates.
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It is a good job that some with much more experience in the matter than either you, I or anyone else on AB, shows concern
/// Lord Carlile, the independent reviewer of terror legislation for ten years, said: 'It is surprising and worrying that we are down to just one T-Pim given the situation appertaining all over Europe. ///
/// Keith Vaz, chairman of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, said: 'It is puzzling that there is only one T-Pim in place given the number of persons who are under surveillance and the threat level. ///
/// Security chiefs have warned that hundreds of young Britons who joined Islamic State jihadis in Iraq and Syria have returned home, while others have brainwashed 'lone wolf' Muslims to carry out attacks. ///
/// Control orders were introduced by Labour to deal with dangerous extremists who could not be hauled before the courts but after 2010 they came under fire from the Lib Dems who said they were unfair because the suspects had not been found guilty of a crime. ///
/// But last night, shadow home secretary Andy Burnham said: 'In the light of the terrorist attacks that we have seen in the last year, we need an urgent review of the T-Pim regime and an assurance that it is up to the job. We need a convincing answer on why it is the case that there is only one.' ///
/// During a visit to Italy yesterday, Prime Minister Theresa May called for further intelligence-sharing in Europe in light of the terror attacks. ///
Perhaps France can give her a few pointers?
/// By contrast, in the months after the Paris attacks last November, almost 400 people were placed under house arrest in France by the authorities there. ///
It is a good job that some with much more experience in the matter than either you, I or anyone else on AB, shows concern
/// Lord Carlile, the independent reviewer of terror legislation for ten years, said: 'It is surprising and worrying that we are down to just one T-Pim given the situation appertaining all over Europe. ///
/// Keith Vaz, chairman of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, said: 'It is puzzling that there is only one T-Pim in place given the number of persons who are under surveillance and the threat level. ///
/// Security chiefs have warned that hundreds of young Britons who joined Islamic State jihadis in Iraq and Syria have returned home, while others have brainwashed 'lone wolf' Muslims to carry out attacks. ///
/// Control orders were introduced by Labour to deal with dangerous extremists who could not be hauled before the courts but after 2010 they came under fire from the Lib Dems who said they were unfair because the suspects had not been found guilty of a crime. ///
/// But last night, shadow home secretary Andy Burnham said: 'In the light of the terrorist attacks that we have seen in the last year, we need an urgent review of the T-Pim regime and an assurance that it is up to the job. We need a convincing answer on why it is the case that there is only one.' ///
/// During a visit to Italy yesterday, Prime Minister Theresa May called for further intelligence-sharing in Europe in light of the terror attacks. ///
Perhaps France can give her a few pointers?
/// By contrast, in the months after the Paris attacks last November, almost 400 people were placed under house arrest in France by the authorities there. ///
I used to live in Belgium and France - a mate and I discussed the difference and it is essentially the 'trust' and quite communications that goes on between our services, police and the community that is the grease in keeping the lid on things.
In Belgium, huge numbers of (Muslim) immigrants were brought in to staff their heavy industry in the 70s and 80s, the likes of Solvay and Ford for example. Now these businesses have closed or been automated and that immigrant generation have retired - leaving the next generation with 20 to 30% unemployment rates. There are some similarities to France in this.
Then look at the police - little has changed, at local level, they literally go down to the unemployment office and 'you,you and you are in the police force - here's a uniform.' Tasks are very basic, wages are minimal, training is minimal.
Move up the hierarchy, you have the 10 police groups such as the gendarmerie and their equivalent of the CID and then there is a para-military force called the DAS, and in France this is the CRS.
These guys are not much more than thugs. It's not only the Muslims that are scared of them but all expats and the locals too....and it's no wonder there is no 'trust' between Muslim communities and them.....It was like that in the 80s and it hasn't changed.
I'm not saying that the UK is perfect, it can't be but our system has served us well......and we have no idea how many attacks have been snuffed out without us knowing.
In Belgium, huge numbers of (Muslim) immigrants were brought in to staff their heavy industry in the 70s and 80s, the likes of Solvay and Ford for example. Now these businesses have closed or been automated and that immigrant generation have retired - leaving the next generation with 20 to 30% unemployment rates. There are some similarities to France in this.
Then look at the police - little has changed, at local level, they literally go down to the unemployment office and 'you,you and you are in the police force - here's a uniform.' Tasks are very basic, wages are minimal, training is minimal.
Move up the hierarchy, you have the 10 police groups such as the gendarmerie and their equivalent of the CID and then there is a para-military force called the DAS, and in France this is the CRS.
These guys are not much more than thugs. It's not only the Muslims that are scared of them but all expats and the locals too....and it's no wonder there is no 'trust' between Muslim communities and them.....It was like that in the 80s and it hasn't changed.
I'm not saying that the UK is perfect, it can't be but our system has served us well......and we have no idea how many attacks have been snuffed out without us knowing.
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