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anotheoldgit | 10:25 Fri 19th Feb 2016 | News
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3450945/Speeding-motorist-killed-pregnant-woman-unborn-child-serve-just-SIX-MONTHS-jail-admitting-careless-driving.html

/// 'I have read letters from yourself, your father and others.

'The combination of these documents paint a picture of a young man who is decent, law-abiding and sensitive.

'I accept your remorse is not based on the predicament you are in here today, but it's because of a genuine and deep-seated sadness for what happened.

'You appear to be genuinely very sorry for what happened.' ///

Ah yes, tell me another one.




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Are you saying the judge is lying?
Some people are genuinely remorseful for the consequences of their unthinking actions. There is nothing to suggest that this young man isn't. He will have these tragic deaths on his conscience for the remainder of his life.

It is difficult to know what a 'reasonable' term of imprisonment ought to be in such circumstances.
We were discussing this sort of thing yesterday AOG. Personally I think this *** got off very lightly indeed.
So do you think that he is not sorry and remorseful for killing a mother and an unborn baby?

Of course, nothing to to do with the colour of his skin!
I am quite willing to believe that this young man is desperately sorry for the pain and suffering he has caused, not to say the deaths.

As jack says, it is difficult for the legal process to produce a sentence which society will feel is appropriate.

The law acts dispassionately, as it must, and takes all factors into account. It is not mindful of the emotional impact that surrounds the death of a wife and mother.

So while, on balance, the emotional reaction would be to jail this man for life, or indeed execute him, were the facilities in place so to do - the legal reaction has to take all factors into consideration.

It is hugely distressing to see that law applied fairly - but that is now it must be, for the law to maintain credibility.
\\\\Speeding motorist who killed a pregnant woman and her unborn child will serve just SIX MONTHS in jail after admitting careless driving\\

That is the bottom line.....yes, he didn't mean to do it....yes, he says he is remorseful......yes it was an unfamiliar faulty (with warning light on) safety system.

6 months?.......seems a bit short on the face of it.....but as a judge, what would I have given, listening to the evidence?......probably the same.

o you old softie AOB
a change of heart at last
careless driving ?

this seems par for the course - I think but I haent checked the upper limit which of course we know by now is no guide to actual sentence is two years in jail

the police killer liverpool were done for murder with a car but as AOB will agree - the facts of every case are different
Peter Pedant - //o you old softie AOB
a change of heart at last //

I assume you mean AOG?

The headline of his OP would not suggest a change of heart I believe.
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jackthehat

Your sympathies for this 'young man' are very admirable, but considering what may be on his conscience for the rest of his life, cannot compare in the slightest to what this poor woman's family will now be forced to endure for the rest of their lives, due entirely by this person rash and unresponsive actions.

AOG - //Your sympathies for this 'young man' are very admirable, but considering what may be on his conscience for the rest of his life, cannot compare in the slightest to what this poor woman's family will now be forced to endure for the rest of their lives, due entirely by this person rash and unresponsive actions. //

I don't believe jack has exhibited 'sympathy' - but she has exhibited understanding, which is not the same thing.

I would suggest that the absence of a speck of relief from the anguish felt by the family involved, provided by this young man's remorse, is sufficiently obvious as not to need to be pointed out.
Apologies -from force of habit, I prefaced my response with 'AOG -' which was an error.

My point was to jack.
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/// The headline of his OP would not suggest a change of heart I believe. ///

Yet another jab at me.

"IGNORED"
unfamiliar car..speeding ...

another joke sentence...as a few have already intimated , the judge fell for his /lawyers stories hook line and sinker...
bazwillrun - //unfamiliar car..speeding ...

another joke sentence...as a few have already intimated , the judge fell for his /lawyers stories hook line and sinker... //

Judges are human, like the rest of us.

He was there, he heard the evidence, and saw the people involved.

If he believes that remorse is genuine, then it would be disingenuous of us who were not there, to suggest that he has been taken for a fool.
yeah, whatever you say....youd believe anything, a lot of us arent so gullible though....
bazwillrun - //yeah, whatever you say....youd believe anything, a lot of us arent so gullible though.... //

I am simply offering a viewpoint, there is no need to be rude.
Had this been a tragic accident then perhaps the sentence would have been appropriate - but the minute an inexperienced driver steps in a powerful and faulty car - it is no longer a tragic accident.
//The law acts dispassionately, as it must, and takes all factors into account.//

///'I accept your remorse is not based on the predicament you are in here today, but it's because of a genuine and deep-seated sadness for what happened. 'You appear to be genuinely very sorry for what happened.'///

In light of that^ I would suggest that the law has not been applied 'dispassionately'.

//It [the law] is not mindful of the emotional impact that surrounds the death of a wife and mother. //

It appears to have been mindful of the emotional impact the incident 'may' have had on the perpetrator.
The maximum sentence for 'death by careless driving is 5 years. This guy pleaded guilty so he is automatically not going to get the maximum.
His sentence is 1 year but the Daily Wail puts it as 'he will serve six months'
As there were mitigating circumstances and he showed genuine remorse that also will reduce the sentence. All in all he has got the maximum sentence that could be expected under the circumstances, but of course the Daily Wail does not word it like that!
AOG would your comments ''Ah yes tell me another one'' be the same if the driver had been a British white ex service man or an off duty police officer ? Are you sure the fact that the driver was Asian origin has no effect in your view of this?

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