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The Lawrence Murder Case, Again In The News...
Isn't it about time for this 23yr old multi million pound case was put to bed?
There are so many recent crimes that have not been solved, and the money would be better off spent on them.
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There are so many recent crimes that have not been solved, and the money would be better off spent on them.
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Davemano: Had this have been my son, then as he is white, then the case wouldn’t have had as much publicity.
If new evidence comes to light for ANY historical murder case, then it should, of course be followed up. But I can’t help but wonder if on this occasion this ‘previously undetected’ (and possibly deteriorated) DNA is a crumb being thrown to keep the case in the public eye.
Nor do I think that such a small potential piece of evidence would have been given publicity in most other historical cases, unless that evidence actually led to an arrest.
If new evidence comes to light for ANY historical murder case, then it should, of course be followed up. But I can’t help but wonder if on this occasion this ‘previously undetected’ (and possibly deteriorated) DNA is a crumb being thrown to keep the case in the public eye.
Nor do I think that such a small potential piece of evidence would have been given publicity in most other historical cases, unless that evidence actually led to an arrest.
//That's another botched investigation - again the coppers were willing to hang it on the first black criminal they came against!//
The fact remains his killers are still out there and as the earlier comment proves his case seems to be side lined.Obviously hadn't generated enough money in public funds to generate interest or worthy of mention!
The fact remains his killers are still out there and as the earlier comment proves his case seems to be side lined.Obviously hadn't generated enough money in public funds to generate interest or worthy of mention!
BigBad
[i]Had this have been my son, then as he is white, then the case wouldn’t have had as much publicity.[i]
Actually, don't you think it's more likely that parents of murdered children (of whatever ethnicity) are more likely to receive publicity if they actively campaign after the event?
Sarah Payne and Dame Doreen Lawrence fall into that category, and so do the McCanns.
Throughout history, there have been a number of crimes which (for want of a better phrase) 'capture the imagination' of the public, because they are seen as totems of the state of the nation and/or the criminal justice system.
The Moors Murderers, Mary Bell, the Jamie Bulger case and Stephen Lawrence all fall into that category.
I applaud all those who diligently work on cold cases such as Steven Lawrence, and I hope that if there is a sixth person walking the streets, he is now panicking.
[i]Had this have been my son, then as he is white, then the case wouldn’t have had as much publicity.[i]
Actually, don't you think it's more likely that parents of murdered children (of whatever ethnicity) are more likely to receive publicity if they actively campaign after the event?
Sarah Payne and Dame Doreen Lawrence fall into that category, and so do the McCanns.
Throughout history, there have been a number of crimes which (for want of a better phrase) 'capture the imagination' of the public, because they are seen as totems of the state of the nation and/or the criminal justice system.
The Moors Murderers, Mary Bell, the Jamie Bulger case and Stephen Lawrence all fall into that category.
I applaud all those who diligently work on cold cases such as Steven Lawrence, and I hope that if there is a sixth person walking the streets, he is now panicking.
// The fact remains his killers are still out there. The earlier comment proves his case seems to be side lined. Obviously hadn't generated enough money in public funds to generate interest or worthy of mention!//
so the police dont investigate the murder of their own ?
erm I dont think so !
the black union jack case ( police officer run down by a car 2015 ) shows they fall over themselves to get the culprit
The colquitt street murder 2015 shows how the police bust a gut to get the culprit
Retrocop if what you say is true - pigs may fly !
so the police dont investigate the murder of their own ?
erm I dont think so !
the black union jack case ( police officer run down by a car 2015 ) shows they fall over themselves to get the culprit
The colquitt street murder 2015 shows how the police bust a gut to get the culprit
Retrocop if what you say is true - pigs may fly !
“The Moors Murderers, Mary Bell, the Jamie Bulger case and Stephen Lawrence all fall into that category”.
They do indeed, SP. Because the press choose keep them in the public consciousness, although I don’t think that the families of The Moors Murderers or Mary Bell victims campaigned like the Jamie Bulger or Stephen Lawrence families.
Stephen Lawrence’s family are the only one on that list that have so far not had justice for their son’s killer, but then again (I believe) nor have Gavin Hopley’s family. A white man killed in a racist attack. Although Asian men were convicted of a crime, none of them were convicted of murder. I doubt Gavin threw himself in the air, came down and cracked his own head on the pavement leaving himself with fatal injuries.
Not all victims families have the need or disposition to campaign after the murder of a loved one, but it doesn’t make their loss any less tragic, but I still believe that because Stephen was black, then that is the reason for the ongoing publicity. In fact I am surprised that the link trt supplied didn’t refer to him as “black teenager,” most reports about him do.
I assume you are aware that the Sandra Rivett murder and Lady Lucan attack were not racially motivated, so why did you feel the need to mention them?
Davemano: “My remarks were made regardless of colour”
Maybe they were, but my comment “Had this have been my son, then as he is white, then the case wouldn’t have had as much publicity” were not, because that is what I believe.
Yes, I hope justice for Stephen can sometime be served, but I also hope as much time, money, effort and publicity goes into other unsolved murders, regardless of ethnicity.
They do indeed, SP. Because the press choose keep them in the public consciousness, although I don’t think that the families of The Moors Murderers or Mary Bell victims campaigned like the Jamie Bulger or Stephen Lawrence families.
Stephen Lawrence’s family are the only one on that list that have so far not had justice for their son’s killer, but then again (I believe) nor have Gavin Hopley’s family. A white man killed in a racist attack. Although Asian men were convicted of a crime, none of them were convicted of murder. I doubt Gavin threw himself in the air, came down and cracked his own head on the pavement leaving himself with fatal injuries.
Not all victims families have the need or disposition to campaign after the murder of a loved one, but it doesn’t make their loss any less tragic, but I still believe that because Stephen was black, then that is the reason for the ongoing publicity. In fact I am surprised that the link trt supplied didn’t refer to him as “black teenager,” most reports about him do.
I assume you are aware that the Sandra Rivett murder and Lady Lucan attack were not racially motivated, so why did you feel the need to mention them?
Davemano: “My remarks were made regardless of colour”
Maybe they were, but my comment “Had this have been my son, then as he is white, then the case wouldn’t have had as much publicity” were not, because that is what I believe.
Yes, I hope justice for Stephen can sometime be served, but I also hope as much time, money, effort and publicity goes into other unsolved murders, regardless of ethnicity.
Bigbad
The only way that other unsolved murders will remain in the public eye is if members of the victim's family does what Dame Doreen Lawrence and her supporters have done, which is to campaign, challenge and work hard at getting justice.
My point about the Lucan murders is that there are indeed murders that remain in the public consciousness where there isn't a satisfactory conclusion.
When you said that a white boy wouldn't receive this amount of attention, you did not explain that you were referring to a race crime...just a murder.
I applaud Dame Doreen, and would suggest that if Gavin Hopley’s family believes there has been a miscarriage of justice, they should also seek redress.
You may feel that if Stephen were white his case wouldn't receive the same amount of attention.
That may be true or false, but right now I don't think anyone can know for sure one way or the other.
The only way that other unsolved murders will remain in the public eye is if members of the victim's family does what Dame Doreen Lawrence and her supporters have done, which is to campaign, challenge and work hard at getting justice.
My point about the Lucan murders is that there are indeed murders that remain in the public consciousness where there isn't a satisfactory conclusion.
When you said that a white boy wouldn't receive this amount of attention, you did not explain that you were referring to a race crime...just a murder.
I applaud Dame Doreen, and would suggest that if Gavin Hopley’s family believes there has been a miscarriage of justice, they should also seek redress.
You may feel that if Stephen were white his case wouldn't receive the same amount of attention.
That may be true or false, but right now I don't think anyone can know for sure one way or the other.
SP.
As I said earlier, not everyone has the need or disposition to campaign after the murder of a loved one, especially if there are other children that need comfort and attention. I’m not sure that I would have what it takes. It certainly seems to have taken it’s toll on the Payne family: The couple separated, Mrs. Payne suffered a stroke, and Mr. Payne became an alcoholic whom it would appear, committed suicide.
This thread is about a race crime being in the news again, so I don’t see why I needed to point out that I have been referring to exactly that - race crime.
As I said earlier, not everyone has the need or disposition to campaign after the murder of a loved one, especially if there are other children that need comfort and attention. I’m not sure that I would have what it takes. It certainly seems to have taken it’s toll on the Payne family: The couple separated, Mrs. Payne suffered a stroke, and Mr. Payne became an alcoholic whom it would appear, committed suicide.
This thread is about a race crime being in the news again, so I don’t see why I needed to point out that I have been referring to exactly that - race crime.
BigBad
I understand your point, but don't agree with your conclusion. Also, I would caution you about claiming that everything would be different if Stephen were white.
There's a danger that you'll be accused of playing the race card and/or having a chip on your shoulder.
It's a depressingly frequent clarion call.
I understand your point, but don't agree with your conclusion. Also, I would caution you about claiming that everything would be different if Stephen were white.
There's a danger that you'll be accused of playing the race card and/or having a chip on your shoulder.
It's a depressingly frequent clarion call.
SP. After 50+ posts on this thread, no one has yet accused me of being racist, and if they do, I am quite capable of standing up for myself.
I hope if anybody is thinking of doing so, then they first read all my posts in this thread, particularly the last sentence of the one I posted at 18.10
I genuinely believe that this case continues to get publicity because of the victims race.
I hope if anybody is thinking of doing so, then they first read all my posts in this thread, particularly the last sentence of the one I posted at 18.10
I genuinely believe that this case continues to get publicity because of the victims race.
"I genuinely believe that this case continues to get publicity because of the victims race. "
I think youd find the majority of people would agree.... except the usual blinkered suspects on here which is hardly a surprise and most lefties who wont hear a bad word said about blacks under any circumstances, its always the fault of the whites and their institutional racism...Zzzzz..
I think youd find the majority of people would agree.... except the usual blinkered suspects on here which is hardly a surprise and most lefties who wont hear a bad word said about blacks under any circumstances, its always the fault of the whites and their institutional racism...Zzzzz..
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