Why Don't They Go The Full Hog And Form A Black Academy Of Motion Picture Arts And Sciences?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3412614/Oscar-overhaul-Academy-overhauls-membership-voting-rules-promote-diversity.html

[jackthehat]

The vote isn't for the actor per se, it is for the 'performance'. If the role is pretty one dimensional in an average film, it would be difficult for *any* actor to get a nomination.
The disparity is that not enough black actors are offered meaty/worthy roles in the first place.

[anotheoldgit]

Islay

/// Do you ever ask a question that does not involve the minorities? ///

It's all in the interests of a 'level playing field', why leave it to the minorities to moan all the time?

/// You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet I would hate to be so sad and bitter in my advancing years! ///

It would seem you have already started.

[bazwillrun]

"The disparity is that not enough black actors are offered meaty/worthy roles in the first place. "

whos fault is that...you give the roles to the people you think are best suited for the role and will make the film a success...

[bazwillrun]

as usual its always blacks bleating and whinging , dont seem to hear asians , chinese etc....

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat

/// Are we moving away from an 'Oscar-specific' thread onto a general gripe about the uppity-blacks refusing to acknowledge their lowly position in society? ///

Since percentages have been introduced I was just pointing out a true fact.

Nothing said regarding any "lowly position in society" only in your own head it would seem.

[tamborine]

Roots aka kunta Kinte won Golden Globe & Emmy. Slumdog got an Academy. No european thespian win Bollywood awards

[jackthehat]

/// Slumdog got an Academy.///
The white British director got an Oscar....

[douglas9401]

White you say! The nerve of the man, masquerading as a regular person when he's clearly one of the oppressors who need taking out and horsewhipped.

You're not well.

[jackthehat]

Is that aimed at me, douglas?

For pointing out that despite tambo's comments that a film set in India, with Indians actors got an oscar, it was the director of the film (not Indian himself) who got the oscar?

[ToraToraTora]

it's all arty farty anyway, some of these oscars are for incomprehensible boring drivel. "Oscar Winning" are 2 words that make me seriously consider whether to watch a film!

[retrocop]

Apart from mega world altering events in History there is little else you can shoehorn so many black actors/actresses in to a interesting/entertaining film.
Thik we have,I hope ,exhausted the slavery genre.
Now Glory(indirectly,again, involving the slave topic) won a host of awards in it's time.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097441/awards?ref_=tt_awd

[jackthehat]

That's simply not true.
Apart from 'Biopics' or 'True Stories' there is precious little reason why a black actor could not be considered for a role other than the blinkers worn by the casting directors, etc. when commissioning the film.

[jackthehat]

Titanic was a real event and as a course was cast to reflect that.
I don't agree that Star Wars would have bombed if it had been a predominantly black cast....it is fiction and could be cast in any sort of manner.

[Togo]

Just a reflection. The N.B.A. league in the 'states' is made up of some 20% white players. Since 1987 ( I think that is correct) just 2 of them have been voted as 'Most Valuable Player'. No complaints have yet been noted.

[bazwillrun]

"I don't agree that Star Wars would have bombed if it had been a predominantly black cast..."

lucky you dont work in the film industry then, you wouldnt last lon with predictions like thatg...of course it would have bombed are you really that naive...

[jim360]

Except of course the recent Star Wars film did have as one of the lead actors a black actor. Not to mention an unheard-of woman and a Latino in the other main lead roles. And it's gone on to be the highest-grossing film of all time in the US, likely to be second-highest worldwide.

Although, again, this shows the problem Black Actors can face when it comes to awards nominations. Not that John Boyega will be that bothered, I suspect, but despite turning in a fine performance he was overlooked for a major award. As, indeed, has every other single actor appearing in a Star Wars film (except Alec Guinness in the first movie). That's an anti-Star Wars bias, rather than a racist one. Certain film types just don't even feature for consideration acting-wise.

[jackthehat]

Perhaps audiences are more discerning than you imagine?

Just because you see no merit in black people it does not necessarily follow that the rest of the world thinks the same way.

[retrocop]

//Certain film types just don't even feature for consideration acting-wise.//

Most young people I know who couldn't wait to see Star Wars wanted to see it,as usual,for the well good SFX. Ditto most other sci -fi. Then that is down to directorship I would suggest?

[jim360]

I don't really know. You can discuss the various performances in acting in Star Wars for a long time (typically, a few performances have been less than stellar, to say the least, anyway), but what is true is that acting awards often go to a very different type of film anyway. Lord of the Rings, for all the success it had, none of the actors got any recognition whatsoever (at the major awards, at least). Even actors who do win it often end up doing so for relatively obscure films compared to their more famous/ successful output.

Supposing baz's assertion that black actors would have made Star Wars tank to be true, what I would like to know is why he thinks so. Is it because Black actors are rubbish? Or because audiences are racist? One way or another, if it's true then there is a problem. And if it's false (and, indeed, the evidence suggests that he's talking rubbish), then that it's even considered a reasonable suggestion is also a problem.