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Donald Trump- Muslims
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AOG
Let me just point something out here...
I believe that every Muslim is a potential terrorist in the same way that every man is a potential terrorist in the same way that I believe that every man is a potential rapist, or every woman is a potential prostitute, it every elderly man is a potential paedophile. That means that whilst the ability is there, the inclination is not.
Another thing that I should clarify - you'll probably think my stance is 'pro-Muslim. It really isn't. I'm merely arguing against your position. And your position isn't 'anti-Muslim'. You're merely questioning.
Right?
Let me just point something out here...
I believe that every Muslim is a potential terrorist in the same way that every man is a potential terrorist in the same way that I believe that every man is a potential rapist, or every woman is a potential prostitute, it every elderly man is a potential paedophile. That means that whilst the ability is there, the inclination is not.
Another thing that I should clarify - you'll probably think my stance is 'pro-Muslim. It really isn't. I'm merely arguing against your position. And your position isn't 'anti-Muslim'. You're merely questioning.
Right?
I wonder if Donald Trump had said that all Roman Catholics should be banned from the USA, there would have been the same reaction than can be seen from some on AB regarding Muslims?
Why does Islam attract so many AB sympathisers, when there is so much terrorism committed throughout the World all under the name of Islam.
Why does Islam attract so many AB sympathisers, when there is so much terrorism committed throughout the World all under the name of Islam.
AOG
I would certainly have questioned the workability in the same terms.
Let's try to avoid getting into a personal slanging match (I now see how they start) and concentrate on the question at hand - whether it is workable.
Alternatively, can all abandon that and start banging on about who are sympathisers and who is a bigot.
Let us know which direction you'd like to take this, and I will join in / ignore.
I would certainly have questioned the workability in the same terms.
Let's try to avoid getting into a personal slanging match (I now see how they start) and concentrate on the question at hand - whether it is workable.
Alternatively, can all abandon that and start banging on about who are sympathisers and who is a bigot.
Let us know which direction you'd like to take this, and I will join in / ignore.
Svejk
I'm not worried in the least. I am simply laying out what I think would be the issues with implementing such a blanket ban.
Also, if the West cut off all ties with the Middle East, it will cause economic chaos. I don't know if you are old enough to remember what happen with the OPEC nations decided to rack up the price of a barrel of oil back in the 70s.
Can you imagine what would happen if we cut off ALL ties with the ME?
Holy cow.
Unthinkable.
I'm not worried in the least. I am simply laying out what I think would be the issues with implementing such a blanket ban.
Also, if the West cut off all ties with the Middle East, it will cause economic chaos. I don't know if you are old enough to remember what happen with the OPEC nations decided to rack up the price of a barrel of oil back in the 70s.
Can you imagine what would happen if we cut off ALL ties with the ME?
Holy cow.
Unthinkable.
Basing policy on surveys is quite a dangerous thing to do, as surveys, despite their best efforts, remain vulnerable to all sorts of problems. Particularly, as I note, ones that talk about "sympathy", that is very much a woolly concept. You also have the constant abuse of results that twist responses to push an agenda. One such survey, commissioned (or reported, I forget which) by the Sun, reported the shocking news that 21 in 5" Muslims had sympathy for Jihadis. Now, in the first place, note the massive disparity with various of the surveys reported in your link, so that the uncertainty attached to such results is huge -- again, this is because "sympathy" is such a woolly concept that the response from the same will almost certainly vary depending on the day you ask them, or tone of voice, etc.
Nevertheless, let's allow that it's still a potentially sizeable figure. Except, that this is not what the survey asked. It wasn't asking about Jihadis, but about "fighters in Syria". Including, therefore, any one of the 30-odd separate factions, most of which are either not affiliated with ISIS or are even actively fighting against them. It's an horrific distortion of the results -- granted, of only one particular survey, but still it makes survey-based policy or opinion always highly questionable. One shouldn't take all those claims about the common-or-garden Muslim's views with a pinch of salt, so much as a bucketful.
That aside, there are still plenty of reasons to believe that a not insignificant number of, particularly young male, Muslims are disaffected and feel drawn to ISIS. But the answer to that problem in the long-term is absolutely not to continue advocating policies that just reinforce this message, that continue to paint the current state of an affairs as an "us v. them" scenario. It risks becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Nevertheless, let's allow that it's still a potentially sizeable figure. Except, that this is not what the survey asked. It wasn't asking about Jihadis, but about "fighters in Syria". Including, therefore, any one of the 30-odd separate factions, most of which are either not affiliated with ISIS or are even actively fighting against them. It's an horrific distortion of the results -- granted, of only one particular survey, but still it makes survey-based policy or opinion always highly questionable. One shouldn't take all those claims about the common-or-garden Muslim's views with a pinch of salt, so much as a bucketful.
That aside, there are still plenty of reasons to believe that a not insignificant number of, particularly young male, Muslims are disaffected and feel drawn to ISIS. But the answer to that problem in the long-term is absolutely not to continue advocating policies that just reinforce this message, that continue to paint the current state of an affairs as an "us v. them" scenario. It risks becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Svejk
"Wouldn't this be a sensible policy here, until further notice?"
A sensible policy which you have no idea is workable or not???
Can it be both?
To explain...you have effectively said:
"I think it would be a sensible idea for all cows to be inflated with helium so they could be floated to abbatoirs, saving on fuel costs. I don't know whether it's actually possible, but I still think it's sensible"
"Wouldn't this be a sensible policy here, until further notice?"
A sensible policy which you have no idea is workable or not???
Can it be both?
To explain...you have effectively said:
"I think it would be a sensible idea for all cows to be inflated with helium so they could be floated to abbatoirs, saving on fuel costs. I don't know whether it's actually possible, but I still think it's sensible"
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