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Amazing we take in these Somali refugee parents and their 11 children to protect them from dangers in their own land, only for three of them to leave the safety of this country so as to put their lives at risk fighting for yet another country.
Also gets one to ask yet again, how can one tell a moderate Muslim from an extremist one?
Amazing we take in these Somali refugee parents and their 11 children to protect them from dangers in their own land, only for three of them to leave the safety of this country so as to put their lives at risk fighting for yet another country.
Also gets one to ask yet again, how can one tell a moderate Muslim from an extremist one?
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// only for three of them to leave the safety of this country so as to put their lives at risk fighting for yet another country. //
Good. As long as they're not attacking us I don't have an issue with it. My understanding is that what's happening in Syria is a sectarian conflict between Sunni and Shia muslims. There's an incumbent horrible despot fighting some aspiring wannabe horrible despots.
It's sad when young people throw their lives away by getting involved in stupid death cults, but if they feel they have to go, good riddance to them.
Good. As long as they're not attacking us I don't have an issue with it. My understanding is that what's happening in Syria is a sectarian conflict between Sunni and Shia muslims. There's an incumbent horrible despot fighting some aspiring wannabe horrible despots.
It's sad when young people throw their lives away by getting involved in stupid death cults, but if they feel they have to go, good riddance to them.
They once spoke of "Homes fit for heroes" not any more it seems, a British Bosnian war hero and her child, was kicked out of her home so that the council could extend the house next door, so they could accommodate this Somali refugee couple and their 11 children.
/// They were given a six-bedroom end-terrace despite the protests of the existing tenant. Yesterday the large back and front gardens were strewn with discarded household items and children’s plastic toys. ///
/// The house's previous resident - a 40-year-old Army heroine who served in Bosnia - said last night she had been booted out of the house by Manchester City Council so the twins and their family could move in. ///
/// Former lance corporal Dawn Benjamin told The Sun she had thought the house - her childhood home - would be 'going to a good family'. ///
/// She added: 'I lost my life, memories, everything I'd grown up with, to house jihadi wannabes'. ///
/// Ms Benjamin and her young son had to move out after they were served with a court order. The council confirmed the house had been needed for a larger family. ///
/// They were given a six-bedroom end-terrace despite the protests of the existing tenant. Yesterday the large back and front gardens were strewn with discarded household items and children’s plastic toys. ///
/// The house's previous resident - a 40-year-old Army heroine who served in Bosnia - said last night she had been booted out of the house by Manchester City Council so the twins and their family could move in. ///
/// Former lance corporal Dawn Benjamin told The Sun she had thought the house - her childhood home - would be 'going to a good family'. ///
/// She added: 'I lost my life, memories, everything I'd grown up with, to house jihadi wannabes'. ///
/// Ms Benjamin and her young son had to move out after they were served with a court order. The council confirmed the house had been needed for a larger family. ///
// They once spoke of "Homes fit for heroes" not any more it seems, a British Bosnian war hero and her child, was kicked out of her home so that the council could extend the house next door, so they could accommodate this Somali refugee couple and their 11 children. //
It was not her home it was the Councils. They can do with it what they like. She would have been re-housed in a similar property. Literally hundreds of thousands of people have been moved from three bedroom houses to smaller ones because of the bedroom tax. Don't remember you bleating about that.
It was not her home it was the Councils. They can do with it what they like. She would have been re-housed in a similar property. Literally hundreds of thousands of people have been moved from three bedroom houses to smaller ones because of the bedroom tax. Don't remember you bleating about that.
What have these kids done that's different from what Laurie Lee, George Orwell and others did 80 years ago when they joined the International Brigade to fight against Franco and his fascist gang in Spain? Or what all those American people have done by emigrating to Israel and joining her forces?
Seems to me that when these were 'rebels' trying to get shot of Assad, that was all OK. Little Willie Hague was telling everybody that we were on the rebels' side. Now they've been identified as sectarian forces looking to set up a Sunni state, it's an entirely different story and they are all potential terrorists. There's a lot of assumption in that article, the biggest one being that everybody who goes to fight one of these jihads is automatically a threat to this country. Some may be, but by no means all.
Seems to me that when these were 'rebels' trying to get shot of Assad, that was all OK. Little Willie Hague was telling everybody that we were on the rebels' side. Now they've been identified as sectarian forces looking to set up a Sunni state, it's an entirely different story and they are all potential terrorists. There's a lot of assumption in that article, the biggest one being that everybody who goes to fight one of these jihads is automatically a threat to this country. Some may be, but by no means all.
SeaJayPea
/// There's a lot of assumption in that article, the biggest one being that everybody who goes to fight one of these jihads is automatically a threat to this country. Some may be, but by no means all. ///
Yes but that leads back to that old question, how do we know who is and who isn't, should we risk taking that chance?
/// There's a lot of assumption in that article, the biggest one being that everybody who goes to fight one of these jihads is automatically a threat to this country. Some may be, but by no means all. ///
Yes but that leads back to that old question, how do we know who is and who isn't, should we risk taking that chance?
I believe one of the Cardiff educated boys posted a threat on twitter or facebook whilst in Syria threatening this country that he would be using his newly learnt terrorist bomb making skills against us upon his return.
It is not for nothing that points of entry/departure in this country are stepping up security re electric gadgets.A top young Al Queda bomb maker has allegedly found away of manufactirng an undetectable IED.These "skills are passed on to these young,brainwashed jihadists.For all we know these little Somali girls are being trained as bomb mules on their return flight.These kids are a potential threat to this country and they and their families should be dealt with accordingly.
It is not for nothing that points of entry/departure in this country are stepping up security re electric gadgets.A top young Al Queda bomb maker has allegedly found away of manufactirng an undetectable IED.These "skills are passed on to these young,brainwashed jihadists.For all we know these little Somali girls are being trained as bomb mules on their return flight.These kids are a potential threat to this country and they and their families should be dealt with accordingly.
Gromit
/// It was not her home it was the Councils. They can do with it what they like. ///
Oh no they cannot, even Council Tenants have rights.
/// Literally hundreds of thousands of people have been moved from three bedroom houses to smaller ones because of the bedroom tax. Don't remember you bleating about that. ///
No one is forced to vacate their home, neither is it a Tax as Labour wishes to call it, it is simply a reduction in housing benefit to those who choose to remain in a house with more bedrooms than are needed.
/// It was not her home it was the Councils. They can do with it what they like. ///
Oh no they cannot, even Council Tenants have rights.
/// Literally hundreds of thousands of people have been moved from three bedroom houses to smaller ones because of the bedroom tax. Don't remember you bleating about that. ///
No one is forced to vacate their home, neither is it a Tax as Labour wishes to call it, it is simply a reduction in housing benefit to those who choose to remain in a house with more bedrooms than are needed.
// Seems to me that when these were 'rebels' trying to get shot of Assad, that was all OK. Little Willie Hague was telling everybody that we were on the rebels' side. Now they've been identified as sectarian forces looking to set up a Sunni state, it's an entirely different story and they are all potential terrorists. //
Well yeah - if it was just 'the people' just trying to get rid of Assad, you'd naturally feel you had to side with them as you would against Gaddafi and all the other ousted arab dictators - but as it's turned out they're probably even worse than he is, the picture is not so clear. You can't blame the govt for modifying its attitude in light of more recent events.
My own view is that we shouldn't take sides or get involved. The war in Syria is a fight between two baddies.
Well yeah - if it was just 'the people' just trying to get rid of Assad, you'd naturally feel you had to side with them as you would against Gaddafi and all the other ousted arab dictators - but as it's turned out they're probably even worse than he is, the picture is not so clear. You can't blame the govt for modifying its attitude in light of more recent events.
My own view is that we shouldn't take sides or get involved. The war in Syria is a fight between two baddies.
AOG
We do not know the full details of how this single parent was removed from the council property. We do know that she lived there from being a child, but it ended up just her and her son living there. Changes of lease, due to bereavement of a parent or them leaving a property is most likely what has occurred. Councils and Housing Associations are under pressure to maximise their housing stock. They do not want to pass over tenacies to unsuitable tenants. If the two of them were in a three bedroom property, then that was not a good use of that house, they should have been in a smaller house. One of the drawbacks of living in council accommodation.
We do not know the full details of how this single parent was removed from the council property. We do know that she lived there from being a child, but it ended up just her and her son living there. Changes of lease, due to bereavement of a parent or them leaving a property is most likely what has occurred. Councils and Housing Associations are under pressure to maximise their housing stock. They do not want to pass over tenacies to unsuitable tenants. If the two of them were in a three bedroom property, then that was not a good use of that house, they should have been in a smaller house. One of the drawbacks of living in council accommodation.
AOG - 'No one is forced to vacate their home, neither is it a Tax as Labour wishes to call it, it is simply a reduction in housing benefit to those who choose to remain in a house with more bedrooms than are needed.' - some have no choice - there are no smaller properties to move into in some areas. If you weren't aware, demand for council properties far exceeds supply
Gromit
// They do not want to pass over tenancies to unsuitable tenants//
It would seem that the council has passed on the tenancy to a dozen or so very unsuitable Somalian tenants.Obviously this country is too peaceful for them,having escaped from the dangers of their own,so they seek danger elsewhere.Strange logic that.
// They do not want to pass over tenancies to unsuitable tenants//
It would seem that the council has passed on the tenancy to a dozen or so very unsuitable Somalian tenants.Obviously this country is too peaceful for them,having escaped from the dangers of their own,so they seek danger elsewhere.Strange logic that.
Are you trying to put words in my mouth.I had never advocated shooting anyone.What a crass comment.Your friend (Occupation irrelevant) and her Turkish husband must be pretty foolish to enter a war zone and expect to return alive.However that is their choice if they feel needs must.I take it they are forced to seek sanctuary here because Turkey is such a dangerous country.Not when I was there last year.The thread is about gratitude to this country by asylum seekers who choose to contravene the laws of this country by fighting along side ISIS terrorists et al .
To return to the initial question posed by AOG - from the headline, it appears that AOG regards the behaviour of these people as ingratitude.
What we should understand is that our nation is only an expanded version of our families.
We bring up our children, love them, support them, take care of them, educate them, and then they go off into the world as adults to live as they please, because that is the freedom we enjoy.
Nowhere does it say that bringing up a child gives you first dibs on their lifestyle, politics, behaviour, etc. That is not a part of the deal. If your children live differently than the way you do, or the way you would hope that they would do, then that is part of parenthood.
Raising children is not an investment in the control of the behaviour of them as adults.
if you extrapolate that argument to a national level, you cannot expect that refugees taken into the UK will automatically stand behind its belief systems and customes, expecially where concience dictates that joining an armed struggle is perceived as the correct action.
As far as telling a moderate Muslim from an extremist one - the chances are the same as a moderate or extremist Jew, or Christian, or Jeddi - outward signs are limited.
What we should understand is that our nation is only an expanded version of our families.
We bring up our children, love them, support them, take care of them, educate them, and then they go off into the world as adults to live as they please, because that is the freedom we enjoy.
Nowhere does it say that bringing up a child gives you first dibs on their lifestyle, politics, behaviour, etc. That is not a part of the deal. If your children live differently than the way you do, or the way you would hope that they would do, then that is part of parenthood.
Raising children is not an investment in the control of the behaviour of them as adults.
if you extrapolate that argument to a national level, you cannot expect that refugees taken into the UK will automatically stand behind its belief systems and customes, expecially where concience dictates that joining an armed struggle is perceived as the correct action.
As far as telling a moderate Muslim from an extremist one - the chances are the same as a moderate or extremist Jew, or Christian, or Jeddi - outward signs are limited.
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