More Ugliness In The Beautiful Game....

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24651310
Should the referee have suspended play? What other measures can stop this?

[Zeuhl]

/calling all right thinking persons (SIC) such as myself 'knuckle draggers'/

Whilst of questionable quality that comment was no doubt a commentary on one of your posts aog after all, we don't know how 'knuckle dragging' your appearance is in real life.

So what aspect of the players' behaviour do you think prompted the monkey noises?

Were they climbing on the goal posts perhaps?
Or grooming each other in the middle of the pitch?

Or perhaps (unlike your analogy) it was just prejudice based on their appearance?

[ummmm]

Exactly....so you don't know if you'd brush it off.

sp means that if you'd bought a ticket, as non white, you don't want to be standing next to someone chanting racist sugar....

[Sqad]

doctorb.....yes.....I suppose it does.

[sp1814]

Thanks ummmm - you hit the nail on the head. Sometimes I write things that make sense to me, but read quite oddly because of my casual approach to grammar!

Sqad - that's what I mean...the player on £125,000 may or may not feel he can shrug it off, but racism in the terraces doesn't just affect the players...it affects everyone in the terraces who can hear the chants.

I referred to a black teenager who may be in a crowd hearing those chants, but think how it must feel to be the mum or dad with their kids listening to it.

You see what I mean?

[ichkeria]

People suggesting that this can be 'shrugged off' don't understand the mentality of many of the people who do this. They are as a rule not the sort of people likely to shamed into inactivity by having their actions mimicked or satirised. This is the tip of a very nasty iceberg which can also involve physical violence or even murder. And for Yaya Toure or others to behave in the way suggested runs the risk of inciting further trouble.
Having said that calls for the referee to be dismissed seem OTT. More relevant would be closure of the Khimki Arena or other similar punishment.
Ukraine are currently appealing against a ban on supporters at their next home international after alleged racist chanting at the San Marino game.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// The principle is exactly the same...it's words, so why can't they be 'shrugged off'? ///

No it is not, I have never heard of any black players being beheaded or even blown up. but the so called "Words" from Muslim extremists are likely to encourage even more extremists, to go to such lengths, but monkey chants are just that chants, and racist's words are also just words.

[Sqad]

sp...I do! I do! and I appreciate your comment.

However:

The thread was about racism in football.
My comments were that if I had all the trappings of wealth bestowed upon me by my sport, then i could accept "monkey chants" for 90 mins perhaps once or twice a week.

As for the black boy in the terraces, i appreciate that he may well feel "injured" and that I understand.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// Can you give an example of what you would do in that position? ///

/// Let's say you has supporters shouting '**** off back to Africa, you black ****' ///

/// What would you do to 'make light' of the situation? ///

"I might just do that if I actually came from Africa, you idiot".

[ummmm]

Huh????

[mccfluff]

awesome, just awesome

[Zeuhl]

/No it is not, I have never heard of any black players being beheaded or even blown up. but the so called "Words" from Muslim extremists are likely to encourage even more extremists, to go to such lengths, but monkey chants are just that chants, and racist's words are also just words. /

aog

your post confuses the principle with the details of the context.

either it is right to stand up to people who chant things you profoundly object to

or it is right to just shrug them off with a smile

and the notions that racist chanting can't 'encourage even more extremists'
or that racism hasn't lead to killings are clearly nonsense.

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

/// My son has a squint....if one person among 1,000's called him a cock eyed so and so I would be highly offended. ///

/// I wouldn't shrug it off and I wouldn't expect him to shrug it off....///

What would you do go to the police, the papers, their parents ( I wouldn't expect much joy from that quarter) or the school?

[ummmm]

Depends who it was.

[FredPuli43]

AOG, you think that the subjects of racist chanting, or any abusive language, insults, should show a thick skin and ignore it, do you ? Well, it is good to know that you abide by that principle and never react to any abuse or insult you receive.

But ignoring racist abuse does not stop it. (Remember I am a Chelsea fan!). What does stop it, ultimately, is this disapproval of the crowd.

[ummmm]

Ha ha Fred :-)

[anotheoldgit]

The whole point of this is the fact of why should black persons hold the sole right of being offended, when other persons do not?

Years ago there was a white player called Gorman and he played for Brentford, his difference being he was completely bald, when the complete lack of hair was not in fashion as it is today.

Normally he took many chants of ridicule and abuse from the crowd, and on a wet muddy pitch after he had headed the ball and the balls image in mud remained on his head, this was an excuse for more hilarity.

No special laws to protect his feelings then.

[anotheoldgit]

FredPuli43

/// AOG, you think that the subjects of racist chanting, or any abusive language, insults, should show a thick skin and ignore it, do you ? Well, it is good to know that you abide by that principle and never react to any abuse or insult you receive. ///

There is a difference, there are no laws against abusive language and insults against AOG, why?

[ummmm]

But, AOG, people don't dislike bald people for the simple fact that they're bald.....or do they?

[anotheoldgit]

Has there ever been calls for action to be taken because a particular white player has been abused verbally by the crowd?

Just asking.

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

Is that what it is all about, black people don't like being disliked?