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I hardly think retro could answer your question, TTT. He's a retired police officer. NJ is more likely to clarify it for you, although in the end, it seems to me a court case should provide the answer. And who wants one of them?

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I don't really need clarification, I know, the HC is very clear

I was hoping to help Hymie.

Fair enough. 

Posted by NJ:

The law (the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016, Schedule 9, Part 7, Paragraph 11) says this about box junctions:

"...a person must not cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles."


Highway Rue 174 reads:-

Box junctions: These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road. You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right. At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping.
Law TSRGD regs 10(1) & 29(2)


There is a slight inconsistency between the two, in that rule 174 permits a queue of vehicles to be stationary (in the junction box) waiting to turn right (prevented by oncoming traffic); whereas the wording of NJ’s post only permits one vehicle in the junction box (waiting to turn right).


Many thousands of motorists break the rule (for entering box junctions) everyday, but their actions do not result in them being stationary in the junction box, due to the continuing traffic flow.  But should the traffic flow stop for some reason, they may find themselves stationary within the junction box.

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Peter - You have been warned repeatedly about comments regarding moderation.

You have already had a suspension for carrying on doing so, and I am now warning you that I will suspend you if you carry on.

Thank you for your cooperation.


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"You have been warned"  Reminds me of being at school.

thank you Andie - are you commenting as a person or a mod? I get so confused sometimes. They seem so alike.

the content of the outrageous post was that the yellow box event was computer generated. So rather than appeal to the retired police officer, it wd be better to follow the internal appeal path. Something that no one else has suggested. (new)

Peter - and other recent posters - May I refer you to Site Rules -

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Please stick to the topic moving forward.

Thank you.


Oh for goodness sake, don't take things so seriously.

F H R Dix - of ALl  Hallows school and also my Latin master used to write - "moniti estis!" (*)

stars in WIll this do - chap 1 by Auberon Waugh

(*) o god You have been warned in Latin - yeah yeah forgot this was AB

a yellow box fine is serious - Preston is likely to fine me as I didnt follow their blue-badge treasure hunt and obstacle course and THAT is £70.

( get pass from general office before 5 pm, and my scan went on until 5.45 - cutesy - woootsy huh?)

237 - // Oh for goodness sake, don't take things so seriously. //

I am not entering into further derailing exchanges, let's return to the topic.


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