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Amritsar Massacre
Watching the C4 documentary on the 1919 massacre at Amritsar . Shocking, appalling - and the typical reactions from the descendants of the British officer who ordered his men to open fire on the unarmed crowd, and those of his defenders, was “It wasn’t a massacre, it was riot-containment.”
You can imagine similar comments from descendants of the Nazis - it wasn’t genocide, just over-zealous prison guards - sickening.
How little we British know of our own bloody history.
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You can imagine similar comments from descendants of the Nazis - it wasn’t genocide, just over-zealous prison guards - sickening.
How little we British know of our own bloody history.
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What often seems to be forgotten/ignored/glossed-over is the fact that the British were an occupying power in India, no less than the Romans in their empire, or the Nazis strutting around occupied Europe.
The squaddies patrolling Amritsar (and the rest of India) were no doubt as disrespectful and disdainful as British (and other) squaddies always are. They would have marched around Indian streets, guffawing at the women, pushing men out of their path, disrespecting anything religious.
And remember one of the 'punishments' inflicted by Dyer on citizens of Amritsar after his massacre? He closed off a popular alleyway, and forced 'natives' to crawl the length of it on their bellies, at bayonet-point, while other good British soldiers photographed their humiliation.
Any echoes of the 1930s (just 15 years later, in another place?)
Let your opinions of India 100 years ago (and indeed more recently) be coloured by these facts.
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The squaddies patrolling Amritsar (and the rest of India) were no doubt as disrespectful and disdainful as British (and other) squaddies always are. They would have marched around Indian streets, guffawing at the women, pushing men out of their path, disrespecting anything religious.
And remember one of the 'punishments' inflicted by Dyer on citizens of Amritsar after his massacre? He closed off a popular alleyway, and forced 'natives' to crawl the length of it on their bellies, at bayonet-point, while other good British soldiers photographed their humiliation.
Any echoes of the 1930s (just 15 years later, in another place?)
Let your opinions of India 100 years ago (and indeed more recently) be coloured by these facts.
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Maharajas were warring internally & the Mughal Emperor 'invited' the British to restore peace in India. No army is free!
"...the British company negotiated trading rights with the Mughal emperor in 1612...."
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"...the British company negotiated trading rights with the Mughal emperor in 1612...."
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// The moslems hated the Sikhs. That is why I mentioned it. Duh// carps retro
so um that is why you mentioned it in connection of a massacre by the Brits of Sikhs - which then became a lantern for the ending of the British Raj ....
yeah - righto! - ( and even durr) it makes sense to you, then it must be AB in full swing !
so um that is why you mentioned it in connection of a massacre by the Brits of Sikhs - which then became a lantern for the ending of the British Raj ....
yeah - righto! - ( and even durr) it makes sense to you, then it must be AB in full swing !
.And remember one of the 'punishments' inflicted by Dyer on citizens of Amritsar after his massacre? He forced Indians to crawl the length of 'it' [nearby street but o what the hell].
we most certainly do !
it came up here last week 26 Ap 19
https:/
[Crawling order. Dyer designated the spot where Marcella Sherwood was assaulted sacred. Daytime pickets were placed at either end of the street. Anyone wishing to proceed in the street between 6am and 8pm was made to crawl the 200 yards (180 m) on all fours, lying flat on their bellies.]
Do standard ABers read? CAN standard ABers read?
all ask(*) - we should be told (**)
(*) Ernest Bramah Tales of Kai Lung
(**) Private Eye
we most certainly do !
it came up here last week 26 Ap 19
https:/
[Crawling order. Dyer designated the spot where Marcella Sherwood was assaulted sacred. Daytime pickets were placed at either end of the street. Anyone wishing to proceed in the street between 6am and 8pm was made to crawl the 200 yards (180 m) on all fours, lying flat on their bellies.]
Do standard ABers read? CAN standard ABers read?
all ask(*) - we should be told (**)
(*) Ernest Bramah Tales of Kai Lung
(**) Private Eye
// Maybe so, but whether we started off as a police force or as invaders, we ended up as Occupiers, as (say) the Germans in France,//
so la chute de France was a police action? erm if you say so!
there were differences mind - think Gestapo and pliers and finger nails. Also one resistant died for every airman sent home to dear old blighty - and somehow ( censorship I am sure) I havent READ that for airmen in England these days .....
so la chute de France was a police action? erm if you say so!
there were differences mind - think Gestapo and pliers and finger nails. Also one resistant died for every airman sent home to dear old blighty - and somehow ( censorship I am sure) I havent READ that for airmen in England these days .....
The Dutch called the german occupation - the german embrace ( a bit like The Rought Wooing of scotland 1530s)
but I dont think they built railways !
built a few concentration camps and this is AB so does that count? Drancy and Westerbork spring to mind - um my mind that is!
o god the german occupation of europe was as benign as say the occupation of the Bahamas ( governor was also part German innit? one ex King Edward VIII)
Jesus this HAS to be AB in full swing !
but I dont think they built railways !
built a few concentration camps and this is AB so does that count? Drancy and Westerbork spring to mind - um my mind that is!
o god the german occupation of europe was as benign as say the occupation of the Bahamas ( governor was also part German innit? one ex King Edward VIII)
Jesus this HAS to be AB in full swing !
The old story, the old lie, about how benign was British Rule wherever we went.
Learn your history. The British (or more accurately The East India Company, for it was a purely economic enterprise) built up the Indian infrastructure in order to ship their goods (including drugs, by the *** ton) around the subcontinent before shipping it on to such poor benighted places as China and Europe.
My ancestry is partly (proudly) Indian, and I often recall how when my Indian ancestors were organised into a largely peaceful well-organised civilisation, my English ancestors were still living in mud huts. And now they have Answerbank.
Apologies Peter P, didn't mean to make trouble - sometimes your amusing criticisms are hard to fathom...
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Learn your history. The British (or more accurately The East India Company, for it was a purely economic enterprise) built up the Indian infrastructure in order to ship their goods (including drugs, by the *** ton) around the subcontinent before shipping it on to such poor benighted places as China and Europe.
My ancestry is partly (proudly) Indian, and I often recall how when my Indian ancestors were organised into a largely peaceful well-organised civilisation, my English ancestors were still living in mud huts. And now they have Answerbank.
Apologies Peter P, didn't mean to make trouble - sometimes your amusing criticisms are hard to fathom...
BB
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