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Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
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So what does everybody think of the latest installment?
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okay dunno if I'm being really obivious, but when rereading the order of the phoenix I came across a bit where Mrs Weasley, harry and co are cleaning out grimmauld and come across amongst other things "a muscial box..., a heavy lockect that none of them could open" .I think that this lockect is one of the horcruxes and was put there by non other that R A B (which in my opinion ties in with the Regulus theory). I may be going over really old ground but let me know anyway what you guys think
I just started reading the first book a few days ago and now I'm done. I haven't been drawn in by a series like this since... well, never. Anyway, I will need to go back over them about twenty times to catch all of the little things you guys are talking about.
Okay, so I kept on thinking Harry would be a horcrux while I was reading the last book. The emotional impact of the books is consuming once you identify with the characters. But I figure that Voldemort was what, sixteen when he began his research into how to cheat death? Information on dark magic, while not encouraged at Hogwarts, was still obtainable. It seems that, with all the time he had to come to power and what with all the people he killed, he'd have made all his horcruxes before he went on some quest to kill the child he'd heard could be the cause of his downfall.
AD's death is such a perfect tragedy. Suffering seems to only strengthen Harry. Somehow he's never been hardened by loss. I think AD would not leave Harry without bestowing on him some legacy, some kind of power (other than knowledge). So I think AD is not gone entirely. Fawkes might have everything to do with it.
I just started reading the first book a few days ago and now I'm done. I haven't been drawn in by a series like this since... well, never. Anyway, I will need to go back over them about twenty times to catch all of the little things you guys are talking about.
Okay, so I kept on thinking Harry would be a horcrux while I was reading the last book. The emotional impact of the books is consuming once you identify with the characters. But I figure that Voldemort was what, sixteen when he began his research into how to cheat death? Information on dark magic, while not encouraged at Hogwarts, was still obtainable. It seems that, with all the time he had to come to power and what with all the people he killed, he'd have made all his horcruxes before he went on some quest to kill the child he'd heard could be the cause of his downfall.
AD's death is such a perfect tragedy. Suffering seems to only strengthen Harry. Somehow he's never been hardened by loss. I think AD would not leave Harry without bestowing on him some legacy, some kind of power (other than knowledge). So I think AD is not gone entirely. Fawkes might have everything to do with it.
R.A.B. Stands For Regulus (A.never has been mentioned)Black(Sirius's Brother Right Not For Sure But A Family Member of Sirius)
This I Know I think because in the order of the phenix they i think have talked about a locket that they couldn't open that was in Grimmauld Place... ya but anyways watever......
you can definately tell when people dont read properly, it clearly states that Harry was meant to be killed in order to create the horcrux not to make Harry one. the curse used on Harry to KILL him was counterd by his mothers sacrifice for him therfore "killing" voldemort, but because of his horcrux's he lived on.
Voldemort is the most talented wizzard the world had ever seen, he wouldn't have "accidentally" turned Harry into a Horcrux without knowing and if he kills Harry then he would also be killing another part of his soul which he would never risk doing.
Loved the post where you remembered that there was a locket in Sirius's house that "no one could open". I think that lends some legitimacy to the theory of RAB being Regulus.
Also, do you remember in Book 1, their first day in potions class, when Harry gets in trouble for writing while Snape is talking? Snape was saying "If you know the right potion you can bottle fame and even put a stopper in Death..." If he is the HBP then why couldn't he make a potion to fight death and bring AD back? Also, why did AD have to be buried on the grounds of Hogwarts? Some special protection perhaps?
My theories are. Andromeda Black (Tonks Mum) could be R.A.B. I agree with the locket theory at Grimmauld place (Again Andromeda could have kept it there?) Dunbledore will have bottled his memories (to help Harry) in the Penseive so he will appear in the last book albeit as memories. Harry could be a Horcrux as the sorting hat considered putting him in Slytherin and he is a parseltongue (This could be as part of Voldemort is within him). And he and Ginny will get married and live happily ever after (and have ginger haired babies).
Answers to the RAB theory:
The letter refers to the �Dark Lord� rather than Voldemort, or �he who must not be named�. Only Death Eaters call Voldermort the Dark Lord so this is our first clue that the person is Regulus since he is a Death Eater who ran away.
In the Order of the Phoenix chapter 6, �the Noble and Most Ancient House of Black� it is mentioned that Sirius, Regulus Brother, had an uncle named Alphard who left the �a decent bit of gold� and, apparently, 12 Grimmauld Place - the headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix. Using names from relatives is fairly common practice in the UK. We know this has happened in the past, Ginnies middle name is Molly (her mothers name), so it�s not inconceivable that the A is his uncles initial passed down.
In the same book a �heavy locket that none of them could open� is mentioned which is found in 12 Grimmauld Place, it couldn�t be opened and was thrown away, but we later learn that Kreacher, the house elf, has stolen the it. Could this be the Horcrux that was replaced by the locket that Dumbledore and Harry found?
Regulus Black is indeed Dead, though is does not stop the theory that he stole the horcrux and hid it at #12. Regulus could have easily been the one (a former death eater and knowing where Voldemort might have hidden the horcruxes) found the one in the cave and brought Kreacher to drink the potion.
Also to put an end to the R and B theory in the letter it is written "I stole the horcrux..." Impling a single person that as well goes for the R, A, B, it's only one person.
Answers to the RAB theory:
The letter refers to the �Dark Lord� rather than Voldemort, or �he who must not be named�. Only Death Eaters call Voldermort the Dark Lord so this is our first clue that the person is Regulus since he is a Death Eater who ran away.
In the Order of the Phoenix chapter 6, �the Noble and Most Ancient House of Black� it is mentioned that Sirius, Regulus Brother, had an uncle named Alphard who left the �a decent bit of gold� and, apparently, 12 Grimmauld Place - the headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix. Using names from relatives is fairly common practice in the UK. We know this has happened in the past, Ginnies middle name is Molly (her mothers name), so it�s not inconceivable that the A is his uncles initial passed down.
In the same book a �heavy locket that none of them could open� is mentioned which is found in 12 Grimmauld Place, it couldn�t be opened and was thrown away, but we later learn that Kreacher, the house elf, has stolen the it. Could this be the Horcrux that was replaced by the locket that Dumbledore and Harry found?
Regulus Black is indeed Dead JKR has stated so herself, though is does not stop the theory that he stole the horcrux and hid it at #12. He could have easly found the horcrux (being a past death eater and know where Voldemort might hide the horcruxes) and brought Kreacher with him to drink the potion.
Keep in mind this is just a theory with many hole that can be punched in it. No one will really know who RAB is untill the new book comes out. However there is never any harm in speculating.
there is no way snape is on dumbledores orders, why would he have snape kill him-he and harry needed to find the hocruxes, and why would he want to leave hogwarts and the students-snape was the one who told voldermort about the phrophecy, how on earth could snape be good after that. anybody else feel like ripping up the movie screen when he came on?
My theory is that Harry Potter is in fact a shared horcrux with harry, so when harry finally relises , Harry would kill himself in order for Voldemort to die, or that harry is a horcrux and that he manages to kill the horcrux inside himself and then finally kills voldemorts horcrux. However what way happens i think harry will definatly die in book 7. I think this because of all the atiserpation people have of harry dying , also that if harry did die he would finally be with all his loved ones, and finally J.K.Rowling has quoted that she is dreading writing the 7th book, and not just because it is the last.
I like the idea of Harry being a Horcrux.
As for an explanation of why Voldemort would want to make him a horcrux when he had the intention of killing him in the first place. I don't believe he intended to kill Harry. He wanted to make Harry a horcrux because he believed that Harry would not be able to commit suicide in order to destroy Voldemort. Thus he would ensure his lasting immortality. Voldemort doesn't understand the idea that someone would sacrifice themselves in order to do what is right, because he himself wouldn't do that. He kills in order to live, so he believes everyone would choose to live if given the chance. That is the power Harry has that Voldemort knows not. The power to do what is right, rather than what is easy. And that would tie into the whole theme of the books.
I also think that Snape killed dumbledore on dumbledore's orders. If he didn't kill him then, he would blow his cover to the other death eaters. Also when Snape was running away he did not fight back when Harry tried to curse him, The other death eaters were quick to try and destroy Harry. Snape was almost warning Harry to stop. Dumbledore must've realized that Harry could manage finding the rest of the horcruxes on his own. He showed faith in Harry when he said he is not worried because he is with Harry.
He also knows that he will be able to guide Harry along the way through his portrait in the Headmaster's office so it doesn't really matter if he dies. Dumbledore asked Harry if he would be able to kill him if he gave the order and harry hesitated and grudgingly agreed. I think Dumbledore didn't believe him. So he probably froze Harry because he realized Harry would try and stop Snape from killing him.
He also knows that he will be able to guide Harry along the way through his portrait in the Headmaster's office so it doesn't really matter if he dies. Dumbledore asked Harry if he would be able to kill him if he gave the order and harry hesitated and grudgingly agreed. I think Dumbledore didn't believe him. So he probably froze Harry because he realized Harry would try and stop Snape from killing him.
Or another angle on the Harry is a Horcrux theory.
Maybe Voldemort did think he killed Harry, but a part of Harry was still alive because of his Mother dying to save him, and then Voldemort attempted to turn what he thought was Harry's dead body into a horcrux because he would see that as his greatest accomplishment/prize having outsmarted the prophecy. However, Harry has love which is why Voldemort was unable to posess Harry at one point. Thus it would make sense if Voldemort's soul was unable to fully posess Harry and thus Harry would be able to kill Voldemort's soul within himself without killing himself, because they are separate.
Maybe Voldemort did think he killed Harry, but a part of Harry was still alive because of his Mother dying to save him, and then Voldemort attempted to turn what he thought was Harry's dead body into a horcrux because he would see that as his greatest accomplishment/prize having outsmarted the prophecy. However, Harry has love which is why Voldemort was unable to posess Harry at one point. Thus it would make sense if Voldemort's soul was unable to fully posess Harry and thus Harry would be able to kill Voldemort's soul within himself without killing himself, because they are separate.
I dont know if any of you have checked this out before but it is a really good website... DumbledoresnotDead.com. i was a strong believer when it came to dumbledore being dead until i read that site. now i dont know what to think. it make really good arguments for why dumbledore might not be dead or planned to be killed. i dont agree with everything they have on the site but it is definatly worth checking out.
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