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Why The Need To Wash Their Dirty Linen In Public?
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Pretty damming stuff, but who can gain from making this report public, except our enemies?
Pretty damming stuff, but who can gain from making this report public, except our enemies?
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Thanks -- I wasn't quite sure what you meant, although I assumed it was the former.
In which case I'd say I wouldn't argue with that, but the results are unreliable -- someone broken via torture is going to tell you what you want to hear, whether or not that's actually the truth. Obviously sometimes it will be the truth, but there is also the high risk of torturing someone who is innocent (or at least ignorant of the information you wanted), and thus getting wrong information.
In which case I'd say I wouldn't argue with that, but the results are unreliable -- someone broken via torture is going to tell you what you want to hear, whether or not that's actually the truth. Obviously sometimes it will be the truth, but there is also the high risk of torturing someone who is innocent (or at least ignorant of the information you wanted), and thus getting wrong information.
The moral argument is not clear cut and doesn't allow easy answers. Any one of us(I suggest) can devise scenarios in which WE would not only justify the use of torture, but consider it immoral to withhold its use. It's part of the messy world we live in that that there are few (perhaps no) simple and unambiguous moral principles that can be applied consistently in all circumstances.
// I wouldn't expect someone who hasn't served to have the faintest idea about what it costs to preserve it.//
I'm afraid I would expect someone who has served to know that torture doesnt work
I CERTAINLY would expect them to know tat the Brits during the war did NOT torture Germans or Japanese for this simple reason
anyone who thinks that beating suspects does work should be sentenced to see 'In the Name of the Father' continuously until they repent
- also has the good scene where the evil senior civil servant whispers - ( cos he knows they are innocent, see ? ) do we really have to go thro all this again ?
Now Chilldo may have heard of the massacre at Wormhout - 1940 Brits were shot by members of Adolf Hitler Liebstandart regiment and none were hanged as it was successfully pleaded all the naughty boys had died in Russia ( Stalingrad ) however they did it again at Malmedy 1944.
and THESE were convicted - There are some AWFUL films about it called Saints and SInners - but there convictions were overturned - oops - because they successfully pleaded that their American captors had abused them.....mock executions sleep deprivation nothing serious
History repeats itself....
I'm afraid I would expect someone who has served to know that torture doesnt work
I CERTAINLY would expect them to know tat the Brits during the war did NOT torture Germans or Japanese for this simple reason
anyone who thinks that beating suspects does work should be sentenced to see 'In the Name of the Father' continuously until they repent
- also has the good scene where the evil senior civil servant whispers - ( cos he knows they are innocent, see ? ) do we really have to go thro all this again ?
Now Chilldo may have heard of the massacre at Wormhout - 1940 Brits were shot by members of Adolf Hitler Liebstandart regiment and none were hanged as it was successfully pleaded all the naughty boys had died in Russia ( Stalingrad ) however they did it again at Malmedy 1944.
and THESE were convicted - There are some AWFUL films about it called Saints and SInners - but there convictions were overturned - oops - because they successfully pleaded that their American captors had abused them.....mock executions sleep deprivation nothing serious
History repeats itself....
Report is here by the way
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makes depressing reading
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makes depressing reading
Another incoherent rant I'm still trying to decipher.
In the meantime, get used to the idea that it's all a very dirty business:
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In the meantime, get used to the idea that it's all a very dirty business:
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