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goodlife | 09:31 Fri 10th Oct 2014 | Religion & Spirituality
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What do you think, satan is not real,he is just symbolic.

Or satan exists,but he has little interest in mankind.

Or satan is a powerful spirit creature who exerts great influence on mankind.

Because each has its supporters.
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Beso - "... birdie // The earth is not warming. It hasn't done so for about 18 years. // What utter rubbish. You are every bit as loony as goodlife. You choose one of the hottest years on record then pretend that it was not part of a trend upwards. Read the science. You criticise the religionists but you are such a hypocrite..."

Even you, Beso, must have heard of, "The Pause"? The eighteen year hiatus in global warming that has everyone scratching their heads? The halt in global temperature increase that the models didn't predict and that no one can explain? No? You say, "Read the science". I suggest you follow your own advice.

The irrefutable fact (acknowledged by the IPCC and every climate scientist worth their salt) is, there has been no statistically significant global temperature increase for approximately 18 years. You seem to find that truth uncomfortable. So much so that you clearly get very angry when someone states this truth. I find that terribly worrying. It suggests that you have a very myopic and specific agenda; one that requires you to break out the big 'loony' guns the moment it rears its head. Nevertheless it is apparent that there is a fundamental disconnect between the relationship of the molecule CO2 and the temperature on this planet. Despite the fact that globally, the amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere has been increasing year on year, we don't see a corresponding year on year increase in global temperature. It's just not happening. Every measurement we take tells the same story - from ground based Stephen boxes to satellite measurements, the results are the same: no warming despite the ever increasing amounts of atmospheric CO2.

Oh, and the "loony" thing - unnecessary. If you're going to deny "The Pause" at least back it up with some evidence. Don't just insult me and claim it isn't happening. Show me the evidence that I'm wrong and I'll consider it. I have no idealogical axe to grind on this matter.
Hypognosis - "... Applying spin to the stats, deniers are able to state that annual ice increase is the biggest it has ever been. That is because it is a rebound from a slightly deeper ditch (September) to peak winter extent (February)..."

I'm sorry but you're wrong. There's no spin on the stats. Antarctic ice is at its highest since modern records began. There are no two ways about it. The only way we've been able to measure sea-ice extent is by satellites. They've been up there since the late 1970s. That means we have around 30 years worth of sea-ice area data. And this year the sea-ice area is bigger than it's ever been since we've been able to quantify it.


H - ".... There have been some meaty hurricanes, typhoons and cyclones recently, haven't there?..."

Well, yes there have been some pretty big ones but nothing out of the ordinary. In fact it's well documented that the number and severity of high category hurricanes has been reducing year on year and we're currently at a very low ebb in terms of extreme wind events globally. As Beso says, 'read the science'. That's what I do. For example, the "World Disasters Report for 2003" (International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies [IFRC]) reports that this year has seen the lowest number of catastrophes in 10 years and 22,500 dead (average 100,000) due to natural disasters. This is backed up by reports by insurance companies:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101460458
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/09/25/uk-lloydsoflondon-results-idUKKCN0HK0ML20140925
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2209103/Lack-major-disasters-gets-Lloyds-London-profit.html
Khandro - "... I suggest you now try calling beso and Hypognosis "cretins" and see what results you get!..."

I won't be doing that any time soon since I have no reason to believe that they are 'cretins'. You however, are a different matter entirely.
@birdie

(report for) 2003? Typo? 2013, you mean?



Allowing for the fact that I haven't read the whole page myself yet, try this

http://www.skepticalscience.com/link_to_us.php?Argument0=71

There's usually more meat in the comments section than in the articles.

Anyway, I like the way you neatly avoided acknowledging the extent to which the Arctic has melted and shifted attention to the Antarctic. Avert your eyes when you get to comment 17 or so as there's a map showing temp anomalies and there are red and orange areas on it.

Anyway, this all belongs on a climate thread.

p.s. With weather warning systems we now see few casualties because people are in their places if safety in good time. The observed windspeeds are breaking records. Damage is unchanged because timber houses (USA) still break up at the windspeeds they did in years gone by. Hence Mr. Buffet sees no increase in insurance risks.

No change in his bottom line tells him there is no climate change. Buffet (as in windy): what an appropriate name for hurricane season.
I AM HERE! what really! it's me ... Go on believing what ever...
Although philosophical of a question... without knowing your beliefs.. here's another one for you ... What would you do when he/she knocks on your door and introduces him/herself to you. what would you do? ...
Yes, he's called The EU

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