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Should This Type Of Discrimination Have Been Allowed?
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/// An email was sent to 57 non-whites letting them know that 20 posts in the Nottinghamshire force were up for grabs that day. ///
Imagine the outcry if it had been the other way round.
/// An email was sent to 57 non-whites letting them know that 20 posts in the Nottinghamshire force were up for grabs that day. ///
Imagine the outcry if it had been the other way round.
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Svejk
The sad fact is that discrimination happens all the time.
From a Guardian report in 2009:
"A government sting operation targeting hundreds of employers across Britain has uncovered widespread racial discrimination against workers with African and Asian names.
Researchers sent nearly 3,000 job applications under false identities in an attempt to discover if employers were discriminating against jobseekers with foreign names. Using names recognisably from three different communities – Nazia Mahmood, Mariam Namagembe and Alison Taylor – false identities were created with similar experience and qualifications. Every false applicant had British education and work histories.
They found that an applicant who appeared to be white would send nine applications before receiving a positive response of either an invitation to an interview or an encouraging telephone call. Minority candidates with the same qualifications and experience had to send 16 applications before receiving a similar response."
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The sad fact is that discrimination happens all the time.
From a Guardian report in 2009:
"A government sting operation targeting hundreds of employers across Britain has uncovered widespread racial discrimination against workers with African and Asian names.
Researchers sent nearly 3,000 job applications under false identities in an attempt to discover if employers were discriminating against jobseekers with foreign names. Using names recognisably from three different communities – Nazia Mahmood, Mariam Namagembe and Alison Taylor – false identities were created with similar experience and qualifications. Every false applicant had British education and work histories.
They found that an applicant who appeared to be white would send nine applications before receiving a positive response of either an invitation to an interview or an encouraging telephone call. Minority candidates with the same qualifications and experience had to send 16 applications before receiving a similar response."
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that's exactly the point, sp. we both think discrimination against black people is wrong. But, it seems, only one of us thinks discrimination against white people is wrong.
I've no doubt that black people have, in the past and probably currently, been discriminated against. Perhaps you feel that positive discrimination will redress that. But I'm with Naomi, I wouldn't accept a job on those terms. Easy for me to say, maybe, but I'm pretty sure I'd feel that way if I was black.
I've no doubt that black people have, in the past and probably currently, been discriminated against. Perhaps you feel that positive discrimination will redress that. But I'm with Naomi, I wouldn't accept a job on those terms. Easy for me to say, maybe, but I'm pretty sure I'd feel that way if I was black.
That report is 2009 SP. anything newer, only times are changing and changing fast so it would be interesting to see if the same is happening.
I interview people all the time. All are treated equal. And for the record I approved a girl from Nigeria last week. Nothing to do with the colour of her skin or her country of origin. she was simply damned good. If she hadn't been good and I rejected her then I wonder if you would then be accusing me of anything?
I interview people all the time. All are treated equal. And for the record I approved a girl from Nigeria last week. Nothing to do with the colour of her skin or her country of origin. she was simply damned good. If she hadn't been good and I rejected her then I wonder if you would then be accusing me of anything?
sp1814
/// Really tempted to say something rude in response to you, but it won't, because I can tell when I'm being bated. ///
Sorry about that sp, no I was not bating you or even being intentionally rude to you, but judging by your rather strange 09:57 post, I just thought that I had to get that one in.
Still friends I hope?
/// Really tempted to say something rude in response to you, but it won't, because I can tell when I'm being bated. ///
Sorry about that sp, no I was not bating you or even being intentionally rude to you, but judging by your rather strange 09:57 post, I just thought that I had to get that one in.
Still friends I hope?
Svejk
/// that's exactly the point, sp. we both think discrimination against black people is wrong. But, it seems, only one of us thinks discrimination against white people is wrong. ///
A very good point Svejk, that I am sorry to say is one of sp's faults, he hardly ever give his support of white straight people, but he expects others to join him in his support of black and homosexual people.
/// that's exactly the point, sp. we both think discrimination against black people is wrong. But, it seems, only one of us thinks discrimination against white people is wrong. ///
A very good point Svejk, that I am sorry to say is one of sp's faults, he hardly ever give his support of white straight people, but he expects others to join him in his support of black and homosexual people.
Svejk
No...please re-read my post. I said that if hypothetically I'd been offered a job through positive discrimination, I would prove that I merited it.
That is not to say that I approve of positve discrimination.
I've always worked in an environment where people get on based on their skillset. In IT is it *extremely* difficult to 'wing it'. You either have technical skills or you don't.
Also, in my company we have a transparent recruitment system, which means that people with 'ethnic-sounding' names don't have their CVs rejected out of hand...as we have seen from link I supplied earlier.
No...please re-read my post. I said that if hypothetically I'd been offered a job through positive discrimination, I would prove that I merited it.
That is not to say that I approve of positve discrimination.
I've always worked in an environment where people get on based on their skillset. In IT is it *extremely* difficult to 'wing it'. You either have technical skills or you don't.
Also, in my company we have a transparent recruitment system, which means that people with 'ethnic-sounding' names don't have their CVs rejected out of hand...as we have seen from link I supplied earlier.
Let me clarify...
naomi24 asked me how I would feel if I'd landed a job through positive discrimination.
In that position, I would do everything to prove myself. What else could I do?
This doesn't mean I approve of positive discrimination.
Let me turn it around to you...let's say that you got a job, and two months into it, your new boss turned to you and said, "It was down to you and some black fella, and over my dead body was I ever going to have a black man working in my office".
Now, if you continued working for this chap, would that mean that you approved of his discrimination?
Just because you were the benefactor of his bigotry, doesn't mean that you support it.
And this is the point of view I was describing in my response to naomi24.
naomi24 asked me how I would feel if I'd landed a job through positive discrimination.
In that position, I would do everything to prove myself. What else could I do?
This doesn't mean I approve of positive discrimination.
Let me turn it around to you...let's say that you got a job, and two months into it, your new boss turned to you and said, "It was down to you and some black fella, and over my dead body was I ever going to have a black man working in my office".
Now, if you continued working for this chap, would that mean that you approved of his discrimination?
Just because you were the benefactor of his bigotry, doesn't mean that you support it.
And this is the point of view I was describing in my response to naomi24.
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