Connections # 323- Mon 29 April
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Noah's Ark Again
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That barren area is almost devoid of life apart from patches of poor grass' and it was over 12 months in total before the water had receded enough before Noah was able to even let the animals out, into a dead land .
It was barren before and after being under water for months there was nothing alive all over the world, let alone in barren mountainous regions.
So will you theists please tell me what did thousands of animals live on . ?
Maybe we could ask the dove who had found a fresh olive leaf , presumably from an olive tree that grew under miles of water for a year . Not bad for a tree that needs a hot dry climate.
It was barren before and after being under water for months there was nothing alive all over the world, let alone in barren mountainous regions.
So will you theists please tell me what did thousands of animals live on . ?
Maybe we could ask the dove who had found a fresh olive leaf , presumably from an olive tree that grew under miles of water for a year . Not bad for a tree that needs a hot dry climate.
@Goodlife- It is not just the ungodly that do this.
"They often make their ugly appearance in more subtle ways. Think of the child who is taunted because of some physical characteristic. Or the immigrant who is ridiculed for certain “foreign” customs. Or the individual who suffers discrimination on account of his skin color or nationality. The perpetrators may view the matter as a joke, but the pain and humiliation felt by those being thus vilified are no laughing matter.—Proverbs 26:18, 19."
What about all the folks victimised purely because of their beliefs? How about all those coptic christians murdered by islamist fundamentalists in Egypt? How about the muslims murdered by fanatical christians in Nigeria? What about the Jews, Christians, Muslims and non-believers murdered by a bunch of fanatical muslims during 9/11 in the US?
The truth is that humanity has the capacity to mock and be cruel.One hopes that, broadly speaking, people grow out of this particular need.
Persecution on the grounds of religion however - not sure that the faithful grow out of that. So Godliness or faith just gives the delusional one extra reason to divide humanity, and for some of the more fanatical believers, they divide them into those whose live are worthwhile, and those whose lives have no value at all.
"They often make their ugly appearance in more subtle ways. Think of the child who is taunted because of some physical characteristic. Or the immigrant who is ridiculed for certain “foreign” customs. Or the individual who suffers discrimination on account of his skin color or nationality. The perpetrators may view the matter as a joke, but the pain and humiliation felt by those being thus vilified are no laughing matter.—Proverbs 26:18, 19."
What about all the folks victimised purely because of their beliefs? How about all those coptic christians murdered by islamist fundamentalists in Egypt? How about the muslims murdered by fanatical christians in Nigeria? What about the Jews, Christians, Muslims and non-believers murdered by a bunch of fanatical muslims during 9/11 in the US?
The truth is that humanity has the capacity to mock and be cruel.One hopes that, broadly speaking, people grow out of this particular need.
Persecution on the grounds of religion however - not sure that the faithful grow out of that. So Godliness or faith just gives the delusional one extra reason to divide humanity, and for some of the more fanatical believers, they divide them into those whose live are worthwhile, and those whose lives have no value at all.
Batexia, //From my recollection of the account, angels came from heaven and cohabited with the women, thereby bringing forth a generation which was wicked and ungodly.//
There were no angels - only sons of God, and we don't know who they were. However, there is no indication that they were the reason that God allegedly killed practically every living creature on the planet.
//Genesis 6
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.//
It is quite clear that God made a mistake – and he knew it - but his master plan - the flood - doesn’t appear to have rectified it.
There were no angels - only sons of God, and we don't know who they were. However, there is no indication that they were the reason that God allegedly killed practically every living creature on the planet.
//Genesis 6
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.//
It is quite clear that God made a mistake – and he knew it - but his master plan - the flood - doesn’t appear to have rectified it.
Goodlife - “... ...For 500 years after the Deluge, Shem lived on to relate the event to many generations...”
Of course it is perfectly reasonable and rational to accept that a human being called Shem lived for 600 years. Just like it is reasonable and rational to accept that a global flood raised water levels to such immense heights that they covered entire continents along with their attendant mountain ranges. All very plausible stuff if you're inclined to reject things such as physics, geology, biology, chemistry, anthropology, archaeology, etc.
Out of interest Goodlife, where do you imagine all the 'Deluge' water came from and then went? Did god miraculously bring it into and then out of existence?
Of course it is perfectly reasonable and rational to accept that a human being called Shem lived for 600 years. Just like it is reasonable and rational to accept that a global flood raised water levels to such immense heights that they covered entire continents along with their attendant mountain ranges. All very plausible stuff if you're inclined to reject things such as physics, geology, biology, chemistry, anthropology, archaeology, etc.
Out of interest Goodlife, where do you imagine all the 'Deluge' water came from and then went? Did god miraculously bring it into and then out of existence?
Naomi@
Who are sons of god, if not angels?
The following is a number of translations of Jude 6 showing that it was angels who left heaven.
New International Version (©1984)
And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home--these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
New Living Translation (©2007)
And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they belonged. God has kept them securely chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the great day of judgment.
English Standard Version (©2001)
And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
and He has kept, with eternal chains in darkness for the judgment of the great day, the angels who did not keep their own position but deserted their proper dwelling.
International Standard Version (©2012)
He has also held in eternal chains those angels who did not keep their own position but abandoned their assigned place. They are held in deepest darkness for judgment on the great day.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And those Angels who kept not their Principality, but abandoned their own way of life, he has kept to the great Day of Judgment in unseen chains under darkness,
Who are sons of god, if not angels?
The following is a number of translations of Jude 6 showing that it was angels who left heaven.
New International Version (©1984)
And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home--these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
New Living Translation (©2007)
And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they belonged. God has kept them securely chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the great day of judgment.
English Standard Version (©2001)
And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
and He has kept, with eternal chains in darkness for the judgment of the great day, the angels who did not keep their own position but deserted their proper dwelling.
International Standard Version (©2012)
He has also held in eternal chains those angels who did not keep their own position but abandoned their assigned place. They are held in deepest darkness for judgment on the great day.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And those Angels who kept not their Principality, but abandoned their own way of life, he has kept to the great Day of Judgment in unseen chains under darkness,
Naomi@ Of course taking one or two verses to suit makes it sound as if you are correct. However, what about verse 5 which explains why he was grieved.
Genesis 6 v 5 -7
The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.
So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth--men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air--for I am grieved that I have made them."
Genesis 6 v 5 -7
The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.
So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth--men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air--for I am grieved that I have made them."
I was watching an old episode of "Mrs Brown's Boys" the other day, in which Agnes is plagued by two Mormon missionaries ( American of course )
They start telling her about the Ark. She expresses doubt concerning the two of a kind bit and tells them that one of her sons brought home the school hamster for the weekend when he was a boy and " they were shi@@ed-out by Monday morning" !
Says it all really.
They start telling her about the Ark. She expresses doubt concerning the two of a kind bit and tells them that one of her sons brought home the school hamster for the weekend when he was a boy and " they were shi@@ed-out by Monday morning" !
Says it all really.
Batexia, do you see what you did there? Your post at 1500 Tuesday serves to confirm the accuracy of mine at 23.06 Monday, and comes from the same relevant section of the bible – so thank you for that. However, having accused me of ‘taking one or two verses to suit’, in order to attempt to endorse the accuracy of your own initial conclusion, in the interim you leap forwards several millennia to verses from the New Testament, and hence from someone who could not possibly have been an authority on the matter. Clearly God wasn’t infallible – he made a mistake and he regretted it - but unlike me, you don’t seek the truth – you seek to sanction your own beliefs.
//Who are sons of god, if not angels?//
Why are you guessing? The bible tells you who they were – and if, as the religious claim, that book is accurate – and you can’t have it both ways - they were not angels – they were the sons of God.
//Who are sons of god, if not angels?//
Why are you guessing? The bible tells you who they were – and if, as the religious claim, that book is accurate – and you can’t have it both ways - they were not angels – they were the sons of God.
Why not read the original, chaps?
Sorry if it doesn't help your literal bible hair splitting chats, but you can always ignore the facts. You're pretty good at that....
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This is what Utnapishtim did 3000 years previously.
"‘For six days and six nights the winds blew, torrent and tempest and flood overwhelmed the world, tempest and flood raged together like warring hosts. When the seventh day dawned the storm from the south subsided, the sea grew calm, the, flood was stilled; I looked at the face of the world and there was silence, all mankind was turned to clay. The surface of the sea stretched as flat as a roof-top; I opened a hatch and the light fell on my face. Then I bowed low, I sat down and I wept, the tears streamed down my face, for on every side was the waste of water. I looked for land in vain, but fourteen leagues distant there appeared a mountain, and there the boat grounded; on the mountain of Nisir the boat held fast, she held fast and did not budge. One day she held, and -a second day on the mountain of Nisir she held fast and did not budge. A third day, and a fourth day she held fast on the mountain and did not budge; a fifth day and a sixth day she held fast on the mountain. When the seventh day dawned I loosed a dove and let her go. She flew away, but finding no resting-place she returned. Then I loosed a swallow, and she flew away but finding no resting-place she returned. I loosed a raven, she saw that the waters had retreated, she ate, she flew around, she cawed, and she did not come back. Then I threw everything open to the four winds, I made a sacrifice and poured out a libation on the mountain top."
Sorry if it doesn't help your literal bible hair splitting chats, but you can always ignore the facts. You're pretty good at that....
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This is what Utnapishtim did 3000 years previously.
"‘For six days and six nights the winds blew, torrent and tempest and flood overwhelmed the world, tempest and flood raged together like warring hosts. When the seventh day dawned the storm from the south subsided, the sea grew calm, the, flood was stilled; I looked at the face of the world and there was silence, all mankind was turned to clay. The surface of the sea stretched as flat as a roof-top; I opened a hatch and the light fell on my face. Then I bowed low, I sat down and I wept, the tears streamed down my face, for on every side was the waste of water. I looked for land in vain, but fourteen leagues distant there appeared a mountain, and there the boat grounded; on the mountain of Nisir the boat held fast, she held fast and did not budge. One day she held, and -a second day on the mountain of Nisir she held fast and did not budge. A third day, and a fourth day she held fast on the mountain and did not budge; a fifth day and a sixth day she held fast on the mountain. When the seventh day dawned I loosed a dove and let her go. She flew away, but finding no resting-place she returned. Then I loosed a swallow, and she flew away but finding no resting-place she returned. I loosed a raven, she saw that the waters had retreated, she ate, she flew around, she cawed, and she did not come back. Then I threw everything open to the four winds, I made a sacrifice and poured out a libation on the mountain top."
