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Higgs Boson – are scientific advances squeezing religion out of existence?
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A number of ABers have asked for a simple explanation and this is about the simplest I’ve found.
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Yes,hopes of mankind for a better world were raised greatly by the scientific advancements of the past century or so. Many thought that mankind was entering a glorious new era. Finally, it was thought problems such as poverty, hunger, unemployment, disease, old age and war were now within the power of humans but found they can not solve.
However see what the Bible said at -Jer 10:23.
However see what the Bible said at -Jer 10:23.
goodlife //Finally, it was thought problems such as poverty, hunger, unemployment, disease, old age and war were now within the power of humans but found they can not solve. //
Those of us not wasting our talents on praying to a fantasy are actually getting on with solving those problems. War would be much easier to solve if the religious would stop picking fights over whose imaginary hero is the one true God.
If the churches gave their incredible wealth to charity it would go a long way toward solving poverty. If the societies who view women as lesser beings allowed them to participate fully then the productivity of their economies would also be increased and help end poverty.
But let the record speak for itself. Science has eliminated some diseases and vastly increased the production of food. There has never been a time when there were less wars.
Now perhaps you can point to what religion has achieved? Note, achieved. Hope counts for nothing.
Those of us not wasting our talents on praying to a fantasy are actually getting on with solving those problems. War would be much easier to solve if the religious would stop picking fights over whose imaginary hero is the one true God.
If the churches gave their incredible wealth to charity it would go a long way toward solving poverty. If the societies who view women as lesser beings allowed them to participate fully then the productivity of their economies would also be increased and help end poverty.
But let the record speak for itself. Science has eliminated some diseases and vastly increased the production of food. There has never been a time when there were less wars.
Now perhaps you can point to what religion has achieved? Note, achieved. Hope counts for nothing.
Wow the Bible harmonises with Scientific fact!
What a coincicence - so does the Koran and Nostradamus!
I wonder why all these religions rush to align themselves with scientific findings!
I've yet to hear scientists in their Nobel prize acceptance speachs saying how their work aligns with religion
I think it may tell us where authority truely lies!
What a coincicence - so does the Koran and Nostradamus!
I wonder why all these religions rush to align themselves with scientific findings!
I've yet to hear scientists in their Nobel prize acceptance speachs saying how their work aligns with religion
I think it may tell us where authority truely lies!
goodlife's favourite response. "Wrong" follwed of course by an irrelevant Biblical quote;
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Just exactly how does this give examples of what God has achieved toward solving the problems that mankind continues to find solutions to each day?
There is nothing in the Bible that matches scientific fact. You cannot even name one, just like you cannot name a single positive achievement of your omnipathetic deity.
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Just exactly how does this give examples of what God has achieved toward solving the problems that mankind continues to find solutions to each day?
There is nothing in the Bible that matches scientific fact. You cannot even name one, just like you cannot name a single positive achievement of your omnipathetic deity.
//There is nothing in the Bible that matches scientific fact. You cannot even name one, just like you cannot name a single positive achievement of your omnipathetic deity//
Some may say that common sense is needed to guide how these advances of science are used. But how reliable is man’s ability to use common sense? One writer referred to the two world wars and said that these came about because men “tired of common sense and civilization.” No, man’s common sense cannot guarantee the right direction.
It is just as the Bible says: “It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”—Jer. 10:23
Some may say that common sense is needed to guide how these advances of science are used. But how reliable is man’s ability to use common sense? One writer referred to the two world wars and said that these came about because men “tired of common sense and civilization.” No, man’s common sense cannot guarantee the right direction.
It is just as the Bible says: “It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”—Jer. 10:23
The World Wars were due to fascist philosophy. Religion is a fascist philosophy so it certainly isn't going to do any better.
Hitler's Third Reich was populated by Christians yet not one of them was renounced by the church despite being responsible for genocide.
Hardly surprising really, since genocide is beheld as evidence of the glory of God in the Book of Joshua.
Hitler's Third Reich was populated by Christians yet not one of them was renounced by the church despite being responsible for genocide.
Hardly surprising really, since genocide is beheld as evidence of the glory of God in the Book of Joshua.
See www.watchtower.org (was life created?)
quote "It is not the purpose of this material to ridicule the views either of fundamentalists or of those who choose not to believe in God. Rather, it is our hope that this brochure will prompt you to examine again the basis for some of your beliefs. It will present an explanation of the Bible’s account of creation that you may not have previously considered. And it will emphasize why it really does matter what you believe about how life began."
That's all for to day.
quote "It is not the purpose of this material to ridicule the views either of fundamentalists or of those who choose not to believe in God. Rather, it is our hope that this brochure will prompt you to examine again the basis for some of your beliefs. It will present an explanation of the Bible’s account of creation that you may not have previously considered. And it will emphasize why it really does matter what you believe about how life began."
That's all for to day.
I have only just noticed this thread and read the post from vetuste_ennemi containing; //To quote Khandro's mate Nietzsche "God is dead". The intellectual argument is won.// This shows a complete misunderstanding of Neitzche. The Quote comes from 'The Gay Science' and should be read in full; "Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market-place, and cried incessantly: "I am looking for God! I am looking for God!"
As many of those who did not believe in God were standing together there, he excited considerable laughter. Have you lost him, then? said one. Did he lose his way like a child? said another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? or emigrated? Thus they shouted and laughed. The madman sprang into their midst and pierced them with his glances.
"Where has God gone?" he cried. "I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. We are his murderers. But how have we done this? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What did we do when we unchained the earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not perpetually falling? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is it not more and more night coming on all the time? Must not lanterns be lit in the morning? Do we not hear anything yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we not smell anything yet of God's decomposition? Gods too decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whosoever shall be born after us - for the sake of this deed he shall be part of a higher history than all history hitherto."
Here the madman fell silent and again regarded his listeners; and they too were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern to the ground, and it broke and went out. "I have come too early," he said then; "my time has not come yet. The tremendous event is still on its way, still travelling - it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time, the light of the stars requires time, deeds require time even after they are done, before they can be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than the distant stars - and yet they have done it themselves."
It has been further related that on that same day the madman entered divers churches and there sang a requiem. Led out and quietened, he is said to have retorted each time: "what are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchres of God?"
What Nietzsche is concerned at in relating the above is that God is dead in the hearts of modern men - killed by rationalism and science. This same God however, before becoming dead in men's hearts and minds, had provided the foundation of a "Christian-moral" defining and uniting approach to life as a shared cultural set of beliefs that had defined a social and cutural outlook within which people had lived their lives.
As many of those who did not believe in God were standing together there, he excited considerable laughter. Have you lost him, then? said one. Did he lose his way like a child? said another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? or emigrated? Thus they shouted and laughed. The madman sprang into their midst and pierced them with his glances.
"Where has God gone?" he cried. "I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. We are his murderers. But how have we done this? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What did we do when we unchained the earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not perpetually falling? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is it not more and more night coming on all the time? Must not lanterns be lit in the morning? Do we not hear anything yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we not smell anything yet of God's decomposition? Gods too decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whosoever shall be born after us - for the sake of this deed he shall be part of a higher history than all history hitherto."
Here the madman fell silent and again regarded his listeners; and they too were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern to the ground, and it broke and went out. "I have come too early," he said then; "my time has not come yet. The tremendous event is still on its way, still travelling - it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time, the light of the stars requires time, deeds require time even after they are done, before they can be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than the distant stars - and yet they have done it themselves."
It has been further related that on that same day the madman entered divers churches and there sang a requiem. Led out and quietened, he is said to have retorted each time: "what are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchres of God?"
What Nietzsche is concerned at in relating the above is that God is dead in the hearts of modern men - killed by rationalism and science. This same God however, before becoming dead in men's hearts and minds, had provided the foundation of a "Christian-moral" defining and uniting approach to life as a shared cultural set of beliefs that had defined a social and cutural outlook within which people had lived their lives.
v_e; You probably read the translations from the early 20th century, which are now considered to be "archaizingly grotesque" and led to much misunderstanding. The more recent ones by Walter Kaufmann have shed completely new light. May I suggest to you, 'Nietzsche, a Very Short Introduction' by Michael Tanner, Oxford University Press. Regarding your earlier struggles (me too!) Tanner suggests that you, "... read for the first time as fast as you can, ignoring obscurities and apparent diversions from the central argument", this he says is "..important to get the sense of flux".
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