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Brexit Now Unsalvageable
It’s not me saying that – but the Brexit supporting Torygraph.
How long can the Brexiteers keep on denying the total disaster Brexit is for the UK, when even the Brexit loving media can see the reality of the situation?
How long can the Brexiteers keep on denying the total disaster Brexit is for the UK, when even the Brexit loving media can see the reality of the situation?
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//Cant you just accept that Brexit is the worst thing that Britain has ever done?//
No.
The worst thing it ever did was to join in the first place. To my eternal shame I voted to remain in the 1975 referendum. But that was when I was young and knew everything. Now I'm more choosy in what I know and what I don't. And what I know is that the EU is a pernicious organisation which aims to control its members through trade. It has succeeded in that aim but fortunately we are no longer among the members.
If you would like to live in a country whose Parliament is subservient to a bunch of unelected foreign bureaucrats there are 27 countries to choose from.
No.
The worst thing it ever did was to join in the first place. To my eternal shame I voted to remain in the 1975 referendum. But that was when I was young and knew everything. Now I'm more choosy in what I know and what I don't. And what I know is that the EU is a pernicious organisation which aims to control its members through trade. It has succeeded in that aim but fortunately we are no longer among the members.
If you would like to live in a country whose Parliament is subservient to a bunch of unelected foreign bureaucrats there are 27 countries to choose from.
ynnafymmi, what do you consider rich, i built my own company from scratch with 0 funds, but for ones i grafted for, no hand outs, went bust almost, but stayed the course, went almost because of a labour gov. tax till it hurts, we are a specialist engineering firm, (my company) that i built from scratch, brexit has actually helped me to export... im grey enough to remember past labour and the bloody eu taxes and restrictions.
final word on this, people today are lazy, expect the state nanny to give them a cuddle and pay there expenses, all this i want i demand
load of lazy useless hand in pockets gawpers, i have 0 respect, get up in the morning and get a bloody job, and stop complaining... lifes hard
get over it, oh he's nasty, im not.. i dont care what you do for a living, just do it as best as you can, dont blame.. like a bad poker game.
load of lazy useless hand in pockets gawpers, i have 0 respect, get up in the morning and get a bloody job, and stop complaining... lifes hard
get over it, oh he's nasty, im not.. i dont care what you do for a living, just do it as best as you can, dont blame.. like a bad poker game.
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ynnafymmi – NJ and other Brexiteers have said that no amount of economic damage to the UK (as a direct result of Brexit) would change their mind that Brexit was a mistake.
Your company just survived; the company I work for is a FTSE100 company and is in the luxurious position that it can pass the extra costs due to Brexit on to their clients – who in turn will pass those extra costs on to their clients (you and me).
The problem is that the loss of £40 billion in tax to the exchequer (as a direct result of Brexit) and the loss of £115 billion in export trade (as a direct result of Brexit) will hit the poorest in society the hardest; with the government cutting back on help for the poor, and jobs lost with businesses going bust.
But we are now living in a society that does not care much for those worse off – blaming the poor for the situation they find themselves in.
Perhaps fender62 is running an engineering firm making parts for machines that print millions of customs forms that now must be completed in triplicate.
Your company just survived; the company I work for is a FTSE100 company and is in the luxurious position that it can pass the extra costs due to Brexit on to their clients – who in turn will pass those extra costs on to their clients (you and me).
The problem is that the loss of £40 billion in tax to the exchequer (as a direct result of Brexit) and the loss of £115 billion in export trade (as a direct result of Brexit) will hit the poorest in society the hardest; with the government cutting back on help for the poor, and jobs lost with businesses going bust.
But we are now living in a society that does not care much for those worse off – blaming the poor for the situation they find themselves in.
Perhaps fender62 is running an engineering firm making parts for machines that print millions of customs forms that now must be completed in triplicate.
//Surely the economic health and wealth of this country comes before anything else.//
No it doesn’t. You don’t sell your soul for thirty pieces of silver (or a couple of percentage points of your county’s GDP).
//But what the heck,you are a rich ory,what do you care about the little people?//
I’m neither rich nor a Tory. I’m comfortably off because Mrs NJ and I work hard. I’ve voted Conservative throughout my life because I can spend my money better than any government can. Unfortunately voting Conservative is not an option currently, but neither is voting for the other major party.
//Perhaps fender62 is running an engineering firm making parts for machines that print millions of customs forms that now must be completed in triplicate.//
I doubt it. But whose fault is it that the EU requires customs forms in triplicate. Certainly not the UK’s. Other countries outside the EU manage to trade with each other without such a need. But then most of them are nor trying to control other sovereign nations by making trade cumbersome unless they comply with EU edicts..
No it doesn’t. You don’t sell your soul for thirty pieces of silver (or a couple of percentage points of your county’s GDP).
//But what the heck,you are a rich ory,what do you care about the little people?//
I’m neither rich nor a Tory. I’m comfortably off because Mrs NJ and I work hard. I’ve voted Conservative throughout my life because I can spend my money better than any government can. Unfortunately voting Conservative is not an option currently, but neither is voting for the other major party.
//Perhaps fender62 is running an engineering firm making parts for machines that print millions of customs forms that now must be completed in triplicate.//
I doubt it. But whose fault is it that the EU requires customs forms in triplicate. Certainly not the UK’s. Other countries outside the EU manage to trade with each other without such a need. But then most of them are nor trying to control other sovereign nations by making trade cumbersome unless they comply with EU edicts..
//NJ – of course it is the UK's fault (voting to leave the EU) now that customs documents must be completed to export goods (to the EU).//
It is the receiving country that determines what is needed to import goods. The sending nation has no say in the matter.
It is easier for a trader in Kenya to import green beans to the UK than it is for a UK trader to export them to the EU. This is because Kenya enjoys the UK's "Approved Inspection Service" status and checks are reduced to a minimum. There is no reason why the EU could not operate a similar system with the UK so long as the UK complies with its standards. After all, it's had more than six years to devise one but it won't hear of it. Far more goods transit through each of the ports of Grimsby/Immingham, Felixstowe and Liverpool (which deal with worldwide trade) than pass through Dover (which concentrates mainly on cross-Channel traffic). But you don't hear of widespread customs hold ups in the destination countries which those ports serve. That's possibly because those countries want to encourage trade rather than stifle it to protect their own markets.
The EU has made it quite clear that the UK will receive no special treatment when it comes to trade. That's their privilege and should come as no surprise. But it can hardly be the UK's fault that it chooses that approach when other countries across the world find ways to encourage trade rather than make it cumbersome.
However, as I keep saying, none of this matters. I don't want to see the UK as a member of the EU under any circumstances. It is simply not in this country's best interests in the long term. Just as the EU you see today is not the EEC of 30-40 years ago, neither is what you see today what you will see in thirty years time. And that's what really matters.
Despite the views of Sherelle Jacobs and others, there is not a cat in hell's chance of the UK rejoining the EU. There is no political will among either of the major parties for it and if it was such a good idea that they believed was so well supported (and, much more importantly, which would garner them shedloads of votes), one or other of them would have a clear manifesto to do so. And they don't.
It is the receiving country that determines what is needed to import goods. The sending nation has no say in the matter.
It is easier for a trader in Kenya to import green beans to the UK than it is for a UK trader to export them to the EU. This is because Kenya enjoys the UK's "Approved Inspection Service" status and checks are reduced to a minimum. There is no reason why the EU could not operate a similar system with the UK so long as the UK complies with its standards. After all, it's had more than six years to devise one but it won't hear of it. Far more goods transit through each of the ports of Grimsby/Immingham, Felixstowe and Liverpool (which deal with worldwide trade) than pass through Dover (which concentrates mainly on cross-Channel traffic). But you don't hear of widespread customs hold ups in the destination countries which those ports serve. That's possibly because those countries want to encourage trade rather than stifle it to protect their own markets.
The EU has made it quite clear that the UK will receive no special treatment when it comes to trade. That's their privilege and should come as no surprise. But it can hardly be the UK's fault that it chooses that approach when other countries across the world find ways to encourage trade rather than make it cumbersome.
However, as I keep saying, none of this matters. I don't want to see the UK as a member of the EU under any circumstances. It is simply not in this country's best interests in the long term. Just as the EU you see today is not the EEC of 30-40 years ago, neither is what you see today what you will see in thirty years time. And that's what really matters.
Despite the views of Sherelle Jacobs and others, there is not a cat in hell's chance of the UK rejoining the EU. There is no political will among either of the major parties for it and if it was such a good idea that they believed was so well supported (and, much more importantly, which would garner them shedloads of votes), one or other of them would have a clear manifesto to do so. And they don't.
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