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ichkeria | 18:05 Thu 29th Sep 2022 | News
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... despite rumours of a postponement

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63072113

One way to cope when you are losing a war I suppose: just tell everyone you have won, and expect them to believe it.
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I read that he's recruiting older men now, ich. Desperate times?
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"I read that he's recruiting older men now, ich. Desperate times? "

Putin? No, not he. It's all a terrible mistake!
Someone else's fault entirely, don't you know. Administrative incompetence splutter ...
Just been looking at the charming mugshot of one Sergei Butorin, recruited out of jail to Wagner as commander of a motorised rifle platoon.
He was sentenced to life in 2011 for 38 murders.
Well qualified then ...
His attitude reminds me of the Czar. Oblivious to reality.
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//His attitude reminds me of the Czar. Oblivious to reality.//

Oh dear. Deluded beyond belief, or selective acknowledgment of the truth.
Much more to all this than meets the public eye. Much more back in history. Much more on both sides that I don't pretend to understand. Which is why I don't make judgements or comment.
One wonders if PP has ever forgiven the Germans over their treatment of the unter-mencshen. Now that would be really naughty. A little (naomi) baiting pales into insignificance, in comparison.

@ich
As I understand, Lyman is now besieged by Ukrainian forces. Therefore any annexation ceremony regarding the Donetsk, is somewhat a little premature. Don't you think?
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"a little premature. Don't you think? "

Well the whole thing is madness, and it isn't like Crimea in 2014 that's for sure

Yes as we speak Russians are trying to fight through to escape it would seem. Some fleeing. Nearby Yampil was liberated yesterday. And Drobysheve.
I don't know how closely you follow this: these names will mean little I suppose to most :-)
If and when Lyman falls, the whole of the N of Luhansk is very vulnerable.
Et tu, Peter. I don't think of myself as pro-Russian, more of a peace-nik. Or a big girl's blouse, if you like. This is going to end in peace talks and a political settlement. The longer it goes on, the more it'll hurt Ukraine and Ukrainian people. Despite all the 'evidence' we hear, they cannot win militarily against Russia.
Don't underestimate me, mind. I'll step into the pub carpark for a fight with anyone and I don't care how big she is.
//if and when Lyman falls//

It's not my style to make a point about semantics. But in this instance I am pressed to say, 'the recapture of Lyman' is more appropriate than 'falls'.
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the russians have failed militarily in Ukraine just about everywhere they have been.
Kyiv: defeated
Kharkiv: defeated (twice)
Luhansk they managed to occupy completely for a while but are now on the back foot in the NW of the region.
Mariupol in S Donetst region was similarly bludgeoned with endless attacks probably killing up to 100,000 civilians.
In the rest of Donetsk they have, staggeringly, made next to no progress in 7 months+ of war. The town of Bakhmut, which they are still trying to take for god knows what strategic purpose, must be the unsuccessfully assaulted place in modern military history, possibly all history.
Only in the poorly defended south, where they were able to come quickly up from Crimea, have they made significant gains in all that time and now there, particularly in Kherson, most of their forces north of the river are cut off from road supplies.
As long as each side thinks it can win there will be no peace talks, and it's hard to see Ukraine being the one to want to talk first.
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"I am pressed to say, 'the recapture of Lyman' is more appropriate than 'falls'.

Fair point!
wevva Pyotr-Paul Pedant ever forgave the germans for their treatment. One forgotten MOH ( Wells Som I think) escaped along wiv Pedant Snr and was awarded a fractured skull on his recapture. Now 'he always had a jaundiced view of them after that.'

Hahahahah before his death( er rather obviously) my Papa did a Rhine wine tour and one shop assistant said ( 1970) "Your German is good but you're not Geman are you?"(*) and asked him when he learnt it. ( during the war) and where was that ( haw haw haw).
I asked if the other shoppers and clerks were whispering " shut up shutup in Goddes name" and was assured they were.

(*) not quite that was the SS/Gestapo officer who re-captured him. 1941 we thought he thought he was an escaped jew

As I am sure Ich will confirm, being a prisoner of war in the east was no fun at all and is even worse now
recapture of Lyman - even liberation
yeah
Frenchies dont like Normandy invasion and insist on debarquements
( landings)
His attitude reminds me of the Czar. Oblivious to reality.
an allusion from 100 y ago you naughty girl!
His papa ( Alexander III) used to call him ( Tsarevitch Nicolai) 'Petal'.

The British and American anbassadors who were running the war effort in 1917 ( in St Petersburg dumbo lordy!) said you had to last out of the room
( Tsar did what the last person in the room, said)

so no - closer exam reveals not really like Nicholas II

losing a war - say you have won
yes Tokyo Japan ( not far from Vladisvostoc actually) 1945
Emperor - for it was he: the war has developed not necessarily to our advantage
100% listeners - christ we have lost the war !
Empie - it is time to think the unthinkable and endure the unendurable
More from the same article:

'On a recent visit to Kyiv I found the war all-pervasive, from the number of young men in uniform – even in hipster cafés – to the regular air-raid sirens. But to most Muscovites the war had been all but invisible before Putin’s mobilisation announcement. Or at least, its consequences were no more than a mild irritation: no Apple Pay or Zoom, no software updates or international banking, McDonald’s and Starbucks replaced with lookalike local clones. But bars, restaurants and theatres were packed. Moscow supermarkets were stocked with every kind of foodstuff – including plenty of goods from sanctioned Europe. After this week’s mobilisation, though, the war suddenly moved from being a distant and ignorable unpleasantness to something that was, to tens of millions of Russians with military-age male relatives, very up close and personal.

Moscow taxi drivers are in rare agreement. They’ll fight if Russia is attacked, but not ‘to take someone else’s house’. A week ago, Putin could have declared victory, proposed a peace plan and split Ukraine’s supporters. But with mobilisation sparking protests in hitherto loyal places such as Dagestan, he’s made regime change a real possibility. I wrote in these pages a few weeks ago that the alternatives to Putin are unlikely to be better. As poet and critic Dmitry Bykov says, Putin is not Hitler, he’s Kaiser Wilhelm II. After military defeat in Ukraine comes a new version of Versailles, Weimar and then the real disaster. ‘I’m not afraid of a corrupt Russia,’ Bykov says. ‘I’m afraid of a truly fascist Russia.’

The Ferris wheel that Putin opened broke down after two days, leaving its passengers stranded, trapped high and helpless in the thrill-machine they’d so trustingly boarded.
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Owen Matthews’s latest book, Overreach, a history of the origins of the Russo-Ukrainian war, is published next month.


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"hitherto loyal places such as Dagestan"

Are you serioius Khandro? Dagestan is multi-ethnic powder keg.
In pronciple you are right tho: doing this he burns his bridges.
He cannot withdraw from occupied territory he now calls his own.



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"............. the war will only really come to an end if the West either abandons Ukraine or Putin suffers a total defeat."

Deutsche Welle
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I agree
Ukraine have done brilliantly up till now. Unfortunately their hidden advantage has now been revealed.
While the Russian Army still relies on old fashioned, hyper masculine killing machines.
The forward thinking Ukrainians went with diversity, equity and LGBTQ (who have special Unicorn insignia incorporated into their stylish uniforms)
As conventional military wisdom tells us;
A Woke Army will always defeat a traditional one consisting of musclebound, homophobic lunkheads.
"Putin 'not yet' planning to visit annexed territories.

Vladimir Putin will not be visiting the annexed territories of Ukraine any time soon, the Kremlin has said." [Sky News]

If they are now 'Russia', why doesn't he want to visit them?

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