Has The 4Th Labour Leader To Win A General Election Been Born Yet?

[ToraToraTora]

Labour have existed for 120 years, they've had 5 prime minsters and only 3 have won a general election. (Tory lite Tony doesn't count). So with that appalling record who actually supports them?

[ichkeria]

“ Ich, voters do not vote for leaders, they vote for a party and, occasionally, for a local candidate.”

I rather think they do in the main.
Otherwise the Tony Blair argument is even sillier :-)

[ichkeria]

Peter’s last comment by the way is perfectly lucid.
And is the definitive answer.
But, alas, it has been casually disregarded. A bit like TB :-)

[dannyk13]

ich //I rather think they do in the main.//
I don't think so, ask anyone how they voted and they will say Conservative or Labour etc.

[ichkeria]

Sure.
Then ask them why ;-)

[ToraToraTora]

ich, they didn't win because of the leader it's because of what they did beforehand. Yep TLT was charismatic and certainly helped but he was just the band leader he still needed competent musicians to pull the whole thing off.

[dannyk13]

ich //Then ask them why//
Probably " to keep Labour out"

[ToraToraTora]

above "ich, they didn't win because of the leader.."
I meant to insert "only" between "win" and "because"

[Jackdaw33]

I have heard a number of people say, "I'm voting for Maggie", or "I'm voting for Boris", so people sometimes do vote for the leader.

[ichkeria]

Who’s TLT?

Anyway, I’m pretty sure that had John McDonnell been labour leader rather then Corbyn he would have done slightly better despite being if anything more left wing.
And Corbyn himself ate into Theresa May’s slender majority despite being much more left wing than his predecessor.
And as I always, say never underestimate the capacity for a ruling party to mess things up. So far we have seen incompetence, corruption and cronyism on a grand scale from Johnson and co. And we’re still on year one.

[dannyk13]

I think that in the near future Boris will face a VONC,he has upset a lot of his own MPs.

[ToraToraTora]

TLT is in the OP

[drmorgans]

The disenchantment with Labour had been growing for years. The election of Corbyn was just the final nail in the coffin. Corbyn badly misjudged "the North" interpreting voting for Brexit as xenophobic rather than patriotic. Labour has often talked the north down, its decline, educationally, economically. Voters got fed up with that negativity. Boris was perceived as positive and patriotic.

[gulliver1]

Danny 11.22, at last you are talking sense , welcome to the club.

[Jackdaw33]

When the constituency next to mine, consisting mainly of former pit villages and which has returned a Labour MP since time immemorial, returns a Tory MP, one has to ask whether there is something rotten in the state of Denmark (Hamlet).

[ToraToraTora]

JD, when Miners are voting Tory, that must truly be the end for labour.

[fiveleaves]

The working class needs to a party to represent them.
I didn't like Jeremy Corbyn but voted Labour last December because the local Labour candidate is a good friend of mine