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Has The 4Th Labour Leader To Win A General Election Been Born Yet?
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Labour have existed for 120 years, they've had 5 prime minsters and only 3 have won a general election. (Tory lite Tony doesn't count). So with that appalling record who actually supports them?
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I don’t think you can count Tony Blair, because he appealed to many of the right of centre and obtained many of their votes. He was an attractive alternative. He spoilt it by entering into an illegal war, but prior to that he was an attractive alternative for disaffected right of centre traditional Tory voters. So to describe him as Labour (the Labour that...
20:16 Fri 04th Sep 2020
//The older generation of Tory voters won't live forever, and the younger voters won't put up with the current incompetent Tory leadership for long. Labour will win again, but it may not be in our lifetime.//
Many of the older generation of Tory voters were once the younger generation full of impossibly idealistic left wing notions just as the younger generation are now. The former generation grew up - as will the current one.
Many of the older generation of Tory voters were once the younger generation full of impossibly idealistic left wing notions just as the younger generation are now. The former generation grew up - as will the current one.
//Many of the older generation of Tory voters were once the younger generation full of impossibly idealistic left wing notions just as the younger generation are now. //
I'm sure some were, but I bet a majority of them grew up in the capitalist Eighties, dreaming of filofaxes and brick sized mobie phones.
I'm sure some were, but I bet a majority of them grew up in the capitalist Eighties, dreaming of filofaxes and brick sized mobie phones.
"//The older generation of Tory voters won't live forever, and the younger voters won't put up with the current incompetent Tory leadership for long. Labour will win again, but it may not be in our lifetime.//"
Allegedly Russia thought the same about religion-that they didn't have to worry about doing much about it to exterminate it because the churches were mainly used by old women and they would die and the Church would fold....only their places were taken by the next generation of old women.
Allegedly Russia thought the same about religion-that they didn't have to worry about doing much about it to exterminate it because the churches were mainly used by old women and they would die and the Church would fold....only their places were taken by the next generation of old women.
The Tony Blair argument rather falls flat if you ask yourself what would have happened if John Smith had led the party in 1997.
Or does he not count either :-)
The Tory party has always been good at reinventing itself, Labour less so.
But as has been said many times before, both Labour and the Tories have been written off as finished before.
Not so long ago the Tories hadn’t won an election outright since 1992. And after the Euro elections they were supposedly dead.
2019 was an odd election, not only for being held near Christmas. But also there were effectively two opposition parties running for power. Johnson managed to dissociate himself from the previous Tory leadership. Successful reinvention.
Or does he not count either :-)
The Tory party has always been good at reinventing itself, Labour less so.
But as has been said many times before, both Labour and the Tories have been written off as finished before.
Not so long ago the Tories hadn’t won an election outright since 1992. And after the Euro elections they were supposedly dead.
2019 was an odd election, not only for being held near Christmas. But also there were effectively two opposition parties running for power. Johnson managed to dissociate himself from the previous Tory leadership. Successful reinvention.
ich: "The Tony Blair argument rather falls flat if you ask yourself what would have happened if John Smith had led the party in 1997. " - they'd have got hammered, smith was an old fashioned socialist, one of his last policies was openly declaring that he'd raise income tax, he'd never have killed the old Labour sacred cows like TLT did. Direct taxation is the socialist way of keeping the poor down. Most Income tax is paid by the poor yet they still love it. Noo Layba were only entertained because they were in effect Tories.
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