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Question Re Care Homes
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There has been so much backlash towards the government about care homes and moving elderly patients back into them to make room for thousands of Covid patients. Also that they did not do enough testing before returning patients back into homes.
Where were these elderly patients supposed to go if the hospitals had to be freed up? If they were to have stayed put, what implications would this have had on hospitals that had to take in huge numbers of patients for ventilation etc? They were overrun as it was at the time of the peak.
I've seen a screen shot of a document issued to Care Homes (in early March I think) that gave guidelines on infection control. Around 85% of care home are privately managed - surely they must take responsibility for the management of safe-guarding of their staff and residents.
Sorry if this has been brought up before and answered.
Where were these elderly patients supposed to go if the hospitals had to be freed up? If they were to have stayed put, what implications would this have had on hospitals that had to take in huge numbers of patients for ventilation etc? They were overrun as it was at the time of the peak.
I've seen a screen shot of a document issued to Care Homes (in early March I think) that gave guidelines on infection control. Around 85% of care home are privately managed - surely they must take responsibility for the management of safe-guarding of their staff and residents.
Sorry if this has been brought up before and answered.
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aah, thanks for the info Woofy x
Probably not relevant to this thread, but I remember quite a lot of large houses were being bought in various ''affluent'' areas of Glasgow and being converted to Care Homes (all private and for profit obviously) in the 1970's. No doubt along with many other cities and towns across the UK, wonder how many have gone bust or been taken over - anyhoo, just thinking out loud.
Any nasties surely are going to run rampant in a close setting, colds/flu/chicken pox virus and covid certainly is.
With regard to the 85% of care homes being private, I think it was Mr Hancock at an early briefing mentioned something about the thousands (possibly hundreds) of different organisations which represent or have care homes as members.
About time this was reduced, surely, but it won't stop bad nursing homes operating no doubt.
Probably not relevant to this thread, but I remember quite a lot of large houses were being bought in various ''affluent'' areas of Glasgow and being converted to Care Homes (all private and for profit obviously) in the 1970's. No doubt along with many other cities and towns across the UK, wonder how many have gone bust or been taken over - anyhoo, just thinking out loud.
Any nasties surely are going to run rampant in a close setting, colds/flu/chicken pox virus and covid certainly is.
With regard to the 85% of care homes being private, I think it was Mr Hancock at an early briefing mentioned something about the thousands (possibly hundreds) of different organisations which represent or have care homes as members.
About time this was reduced, surely, but it won't stop bad nursing homes operating no doubt.
Glad to hear your mum recovered, Queen. I can imagine your relief.
I know that carers/nurses would've potentially brought the virus into many care homes and yes, they should've been tested vigorously at the time, but for the residents who were discharged back into the homes, where else could they have gone?
The government are being blamed for everything that has gone wrong. The trouble is that they can issue mass funding, guidelines and rules but it's down to those in charge to take responsibility and implement those changes. Where I work, we placed orders for PPE at the beginning of March and these were delivered within 2/3 weeks. We took the proactive approach.
The UK may have the 2nd highest death toll in the world but not all European countries count in the same way.
I know that carers/nurses would've potentially brought the virus into many care homes and yes, they should've been tested vigorously at the time, but for the residents who were discharged back into the homes, where else could they have gone?
The government are being blamed for everything that has gone wrong. The trouble is that they can issue mass funding, guidelines and rules but it's down to those in charge to take responsibility and implement those changes. Where I work, we placed orders for PPE at the beginning of March and these were delivered within 2/3 weeks. We took the proactive approach.
The UK may have the 2nd highest death toll in the world but not all European countries count in the same way.
The problem with the testing that we had was it took at least 3 days to get results back....so all it told you was that you hadn’t got covid when you were tested...which was why the very serious message about self isolating if you had a symptom or symptoms. i have no proof but I suspect there were people who had it mildly who for whatever reason ignored the advice
Because the ones who become affected in care homes are in a 'protected' environment ie not open to the majority of the public - so if there is a much greater number affected in care homes that means fewer in hospital and in the community. Most of us would not come into contact with anyone in a care home.
They don't give us the numbers now for hospital deaths.
They don't give us the numbers now for hospital deaths.
You don't free up hospitals by sending infected individuals to common residential homes where they will infect more folk creating a) greater demand for medical services, and b) kill off vulnerable people. Where they should go was nowhere since hospital is where the sick should be. I think the question is invalid. One doesn't drop on others from a great height that tell the dropped on that it's their own fault for not sorting the mess created.
TheCorbyLoon - at first the number of deaths was only those in hospital. Then recently they started giving total deaths including care homes and the wider community, so the numbers jumped considerably. What we don't now get is how many people have died each day in hospital, ie without those who died in care homes and the wider community. I'd be interested to know how much the numbers have dropped in relation to the numbers given in the first few weeks.
lankeela, this seems to separate out hospital deaths where the deceased tested positive, if that's any help
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