The Afterlife

[DeeLicious]

This is interesting: http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/femail/article-5529827/Readers-share-stories-proving-afterlife.html Anybody on here had such experiences?

[fender62]

jim360, absolutely.. this is personal to me, but i thought id share it with fellow abers, i think...some times we are close minded, all of us
nowt wrong with that, we all want empirical evidence, so just put it down to just because i said it, has no validity, because it's just that my word, ok for any aber who has experienced anything other world, you have your answer, back to square one.

[naomi24]

Jim, //It might well be asked, among other things, why Naomi believes fender -- without simply falling back on the "why would he lie?//

But why would he? He knows that by saying what he's said he's exposing himself to charges of at the least, delusion, and at the worst deceit. Why would anyone willingly do that?

[naomi24]

I omitted to mention ridicule .....

[jim360]

The reason it's not enough is because (a) there's also the middle ground of being mistaken, for one reason or another, so even if you were able to rule out downright lying then then that still leaves a second option either than telling the truth; and (b) since lying is actually something that some people do occasionally, I don't see how you can rule it out anyway, ridicule or otherwise. Maybe someone thinks (or hopes) the lie is convincing enough that they won't be found out; maybe it's just a different form of trolling; and goodness only knows how many people have lied about having psychic abilities because (surprise, surprise) they're able to sell their stories and/or their "skills" to make money.

None of the cynical reasons for lying apply to fender, I'm sure, but -- I mean, use your imagination, Naomi! Even with lying being ruled out, there are myriad possibilities between "people who tell stories about ghosts are always lying" and "ghosts are real", at least some of which could be just as plausible.

If it comes to that, why would psychologists lie about their observations? Or, if they don't, and are simply "wrong"... well, you can, I hope, see what I mean about the double standards that are at play here.

[Zacs-Master]

I see those with far too much time on their hands have been discussing impossible to prove theories. Again.

[naomi24]

Jim, //None of the cynical reasons for lying apply to fender, I'm sure//

You’re sure? In that case Fender has fallen foul of something that can easily be explained by psychiatrists - who don’t lie about their observations, but like most men of science have pre-conceived notions and a penchant for slotting everything into a convenient ready-made box. That’s another mystery solved. Fender, it didn’t happen to you. Jim, who finds it very difficult to say he doesn’t know, says so.

And no, Jim, I don’t see what you mean about double standards. I have always maintained that some people make mistakes, that some lie, that some cling to wishful thinking, and that some are, indeed, deluded, but I don’t discount the possibility that in at least some of the millions of cases reported, none of the above apply.

[Purist]

dunnitall's reply at 18:37 is absolutely spot on, you are either in tune or you are not, its hard for someone not in tune to believe the things people have detailed, As someone in tune myself I have experienced many many incidences. I don't particularly care whether the non believers believe or not.