Where Does God Get His Morals From?

[nailit]

Had a conversation recently with a ''born again'' type
(First conversation with a real life religionist in a while tbh....)

Thankfully only lasted a few minutes (felt like hours...but theres always one)
The usual subject of morals come from.
Atheists have no morals apparently. Or at least no OBJECTIVE morals without God.
I asked whose God?
Allah? Jehovah? Christ? Dionysius? etc.

I then asked where does God (In whatever way you view him/it/her) get THEIR morals from?
Conversation then petered out. (I was late for work anyway so no great loss)
I was in no way provoking an arguement, simply following through a logical discussion with a
question.

If humans need God's guidence to be moral, then where does God get his guidence from?

[naomi24]

Better than what, khandro? Better than people who are taken in by nonsense because they think they can save their sorry souls? You’d be right then. I am better than that.

[Peter Pedant]

Hey Naomi, dont waste time here, you are urgently required on the resignation threads, er calming and soothing everyone

[naomi24]

Once they all stop wetting themselves I’ll get there, pp. No need for you to stalk me on that score. Take your medication and have a rest. You’ve been busier than ever with it lately.

[Paigntonian]

Nailit: Think you'll find ( if you read what you criticise others for not reading) that Christianity stems from the New Testament. The clue's in the 'Christ' bit. There's nothing in the New Testament that could possibly 'appal'.

[nailit]

//There's nothing in the New Testament that could possibly 'appal'.//
Wanna bet?

Want to start with Hell?

[Peter Pedant]

Oh is one of the universal moral truths....
a liar shall always be found out !

PP purrs and pouts prettily ( looking as tho he has said something specially soulful)

[nailit]

And why do you feel the need to discard 2/3rds of your Bible?

[naomi24]

Paigntonian, I don’t know what you’ve been reading but I find some of the stuff in the New Testament utterly abhorrent.

[nailit]

The new testament is arguably worse than the Old Testament naomi.
At least in the the OT you were dead when God punished you.

In the NT you have suffer for eternity,
(Depending on the author)

[Peter Pedant]

yeah, what about this?

It is commonly believed that Ananias and Sapphira were struck dead because they lied. Is this the reason God inspired an account of this incident to be recorded for us today—or is there a much deeper lesson He wants us to learn from it?

Horrific innit?

The much needed lesson is surely - dont lie - your lies will find you out!

or not.... ( thx to Mystic Meg) [ those who live in Downing st are excluded from this or something ]

[Peter Pedant]

Nailit please - you are delaying her with fripperies

[nailit]

And the ''Prince of Peace'' does like his whips
and stuff and threats and the like....

[nailit]

PP, my 'lies' have found me out many a time.
Acts chapter 5.

Havnt been killed yet because of it.
The NT is just as horrific (if not more so) than the old.
Its just sick.
Wished people would read it.

[Paigntonian]

Nailit: Just for once perhaps you could consider leaving well-intentioned Christians alone for a while. You don't often hear us droning on about Hitler and Stalin because they were atheists.

[Peter Pedant]

er are you sure Hitler was? ( atheist)
One of his henchmen converted a castle ( in Germany that is!) into a Great SS cathedral thingey
Scloss doo-dah. Perhaps er google can help

[naomi24]

Hitler wasn’t an atheist.

[nailit]

//Nailit: Just for once perhaps you could consider leaving well-intentioned Christians alone for a while. //

None.

[Peter Pedant]

thank you - the Goddess speaks !
Hitler not atheist official
are you sure you dont want to spread some Good Sense on the resignation threads - it is badly needed
pretty please

[Khandro]

naomi; //The New Covenant was necessary for the new religion - but it’s conveniently manufactured twaddle.//

If you are saying that the New testament & the teachings of Jesus Christ are "twaddle" then in my opinion you are culturally, emotionally & intellectually (not to mention spiritually) bankrupt.

Not even my arch-nemesis & your guru Richard Dawkins, has ever said such a thing.

[naomi24]

Khandro, your opinion of me is irrelevant. I'll make it as simple as I can for you. There's certainly a story there but it's not the one so commonly broadcast. The fact is dead men don't come back to life. Corpses do not rise from graves to roam cities. The words of a 'dying' man are not recorded if there is no one present to record them. And as difficult as it may be for you to comprehend, my thoughts are my own. Gurus may be essential to you but they are surplus to my requirements.