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God Had No Beginning
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And will have no end.
Impossible for the human brain to comprehend something or somebody having no beginning. Even I can't do it.
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Impossible for the human brain to comprehend something or somebody having no beginning. Even I can't do it.
Aware this isn't a question but questions dont always fit this forum
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Oh ok, a wind up.
Do you not think you ought to make it clear that this is just your belief, fiveleaves, rather than state it as a fact? That has the potential to mislead. Common sense dictates that we need to locate God’s whereabouts and examine ‘him’ before we can say what it is with any degree of confidence or certainty.
Do you not think you ought to make it clear that this is just your belief, fiveleaves, rather than state it as a fact? That has the potential to mislead. Common sense dictates that we need to locate God’s whereabouts and examine ‘him’ before we can say what it is with any degree of confidence or certainty.
Naomi, The fact that I have put this thread in Religion & Spirituality surely means that "God Had No Beginning" is a faith statement as it obviously presupposes that God exists.
However much of the debate here is not really disputing that God has no beginning but is rather quibbling about what the word eternal means. Eternal life when mentioned in the Bible is understood to mean life which never ends, and that is the sense in which I am using the word.
It would be great if people could debate in a philosophical or theological way, without the reactionary and utterly predictable attack on Christianity or religion in general. I live in hope.
However much of the debate here is not really disputing that God has no beginning but is rather quibbling about what the word eternal means. Eternal life when mentioned in the Bible is understood to mean life which never ends, and that is the sense in which I am using the word.
It would be great if people could debate in a philosophical or theological way, without the reactionary and utterly predictable attack on Christianity or religion in general. I live in hope.
// if you can't comprehend it, why do you think it's true?//
why do you think Einstein's theories ( general relativity, quantum mechanics, take your pick) are true?
by the way - either St Anselm 1050 or Thomas Aquinas 1280 reasoned:
If god had a beginning then the fella who began before is greater than God , and that cant be as God is by deffo the greatest, ergo
same for end - - mutatis mutandis - - hooray all that means that where you see "beginning" put "end"
oh and you need and 'after' in place of the 'before'
I mean blimey, where were all you in R.E. ? smoking, blaggin and bonking behind the gym, and vulcan I will put you down for winking. Dirty boys.
More sensibly - whole loadda anglicans, mainly anglo-catholics defecting to the Bishop of Rome ( Times today)
Bishop of Raaa-chester ( yes Mr Benny) - and Lichfield, and a few canons.
why do you think Einstein's theories ( general relativity, quantum mechanics, take your pick) are true?
by the way - either St Anselm 1050 or Thomas Aquinas 1280 reasoned:
If god had a beginning then the fella who began before is greater than God , and that cant be as God is by deffo the greatest, ergo
same for end - - mutatis mutandis - - hooray all that means that where you see "beginning" put "end"
oh and you need and 'after' in place of the 'before'
I mean blimey, where were all you in R.E. ? smoking, blaggin and bonking behind the gym, and vulcan I will put you down for winking. Dirty boys.
More sensibly - whole loadda anglicans, mainly anglo-catholics defecting to the Bishop of Rome ( Times today)
Bishop of Raaa-chester ( yes Mr Benny) - and Lichfield, and a few canons.
// Common sense dictates that we need to locate God’s whereabouts and examine ‘him’ //
no common sense doesnt - common sense recognises that god and the idea of god is metaphysical and so has no length breadth
metaphysical fings are like truth - beauty -
when a cosmonaut said in the fifties in space
I cant see God up here!
everyone jeered and said, crude marxist propaganda
thank you
no common sense doesnt - common sense recognises that god and the idea of god is metaphysical and so has no length breadth
metaphysical fings are like truth - beauty -
when a cosmonaut said in the fifties in space
I cant see God up here!
everyone jeered and said, crude marxist propaganda
thank you
fiveleaves. Theology starts from the premise that god exists. Theological argument has no basis, it's just discussion of the pros and cons of initial presumptions about lots of different gods. Christian theology is not muslim theology.
Ther is no christian or muslim maths, any more than there are christian or muslim babies.
My posts have not so far mentioned religion.
Ther is no christian or muslim maths, any more than there are christian or muslim babies.
My posts have not so far mentioned religion.
fiveleaves, //"God Had No Beginning" is a faith statement as it obviously presupposes that God exists.//
That's the obvious stumbling block to entering into discussion with non-believers who, by the very nature of their requirement for evidence, find it impossible to take pre-supposition seriously. That said, I think the atheists here argue from an assortment of views. Some, many of whom have never studied the subject, just dismiss religion, and quite aggressively and unpleasantly so there will never be any sort of civilised discussion with them - I recognise that. Others, like me, in an effort to offer rational responses to what appear to be irrational ideas, prefer to investigate, and frankly to date I've found nothing to support the idea of God - at least not a supernatural God.
That's the obvious stumbling block to entering into discussion with non-believers who, by the very nature of their requirement for evidence, find it impossible to take pre-supposition seriously. That said, I think the atheists here argue from an assortment of views. Some, many of whom have never studied the subject, just dismiss religion, and quite aggressively and unpleasantly so there will never be any sort of civilised discussion with them - I recognise that. Others, like me, in an effort to offer rational responses to what appear to be irrational ideas, prefer to investigate, and frankly to date I've found nothing to support the idea of God - at least not a supernatural God.
// An infinite time, I presume, has no ends or it wouldn't be eternal. I don't see how eternity can only have only one end. //
It could begin at t=0, and "end" at t = infinity. So it's perfectly possible for infinite things to have one, and only one, well-defined end.
What's even more crazy is that it's possible for finite, or rather finite-looking, things to have no well-defined ends. Consider the set of real numbers between 0 and 1, but without including either 0 or 1. Then there's no smallest or largest number in this set.
None of this is strictly relevant to the question, except to point out that if you want your mind blown, you can do that perfectly well within the realm of things we have a fairly good handle on without needing to invoke supernatural beings.
It could begin at t=0, and "end" at t = infinity. So it's perfectly possible for infinite things to have one, and only one, well-defined end.
What's even more crazy is that it's possible for finite, or rather finite-looking, things to have no well-defined ends. Consider the set of real numbers between 0 and 1, but without including either 0 or 1. Then there's no smallest or largest number in this set.
None of this is strictly relevant to the question, except to point out that if you want your mind blown, you can do that perfectly well within the realm of things we have a fairly good handle on without needing to invoke supernatural beings.
Nothing I said was deterring investigation of anything. Quite the opposite. Mathematics is an amazing and rich field, full of wonders many of which are completely beyond me. Moreover, since it's a field within which knowledge, up to the starting points, is the most robust of any subject, you can even be *sure* of what you learn in a way that most subjects doesn't have.
Fiveleaves, maths doesn't "create " anything, it just is a form of explaining and proving what we already know.
If, you can create an eternal human soul from nowhere... where does that energy come from? It goes on forever, but comes from.... where? It makes no sense.
And, i don't believe there is a "reason" for anything, it's just nature. Do you? Or what is the reason for it?
If, you can create an eternal human soul from nowhere... where does that energy come from? It goes on forever, but comes from.... where? It makes no sense.
And, i don't believe there is a "reason" for anything, it's just nature. Do you? Or what is the reason for it?
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