The Return Of The God Hypothesis.

[Theland]

There appears no way that the universe arose from nothing, but came from a preexisting mind, that is God.

https://youtu.be/uInJoikDgpY

It seems the atheist scientists have hit a brick wall!
Can you rescue them?

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Nailit, why don't we talk things through simple step by simple step Q&A? Yes? //

What a fantastic idea!

Nailit clearly has the 'Q' part down pat, as his frequent posts demonstrate.

Sadly, you are are seriously lacking in the 'A' part - as your frequent posts equally demonstrate.

[Theland]

Well one question at a time would be a start.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Well one question at a time would be a start. //

Why do you have such difficulty in accepting the concept that no-one living knows the origin of the universe, but only Christians insist that it must be God's work?

[Theland]

Evidence!

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Evidence! //

Fantastic!

Is this something you can share with the rest of us?

[THECORBYLOON]

It would be helpful if the evidence weren't a video giving the name of a book about unspecified evidence derived from another oers

[THECORBYLOON]

Posted too early...

It would be helpful if the evidence weren't a video giving the name of a book about unspecified evidence derived from another person's unspecified evidence...

[Deskdiary]

I know nothing about the greatest work of fiction ever, the Bible, so I absolutely cannot speak with any authority whatsoever, but as a causal observer it seems to me that Nailit knows it, understands it, and is able to debunk it, far far more greater than Theland pretends to know it.

[Theland]

If this were a competition you could award the prize to Nailit then couldn't you?

[andy-hughes]

Not a competition, not a trial, just a discussion.

Don't forget that evidence will you, I'm sure you keep it close to hand, given its importance...

[pixie374]

15:31, not caught up with the thread. Theland, I do only raise one point at a time. That you can't or won't answer it, isn't my fault.

Atheist //Theland, patterns and apparent order and design can come about quite naturally//. I think, not just "can" but have to. Like bubbles are round, because it's the most efficient shape for them. Not because they have been designed to be.

[pixie374]

To go back to your painter "analogy" (which really isn't). Even if I agreed a painter had done it, if you told me he was eternal and had come out of nowhere... I would just laugh.

[Theland]

Pixie - one point, thank you. Yes bubbles are round because that are following laws of pressure and surface tension of the liquid. Not chance or chaos.

[Theland]

Pixie - yes the point I was making was that by using logic and reason, you would know that a painter had done it, that the room didn't paint itself. That's all. I wasn't suggesting an eternal painter.

[pixie374]

You are suggesting an eternal god though... which i thought was what the "painter" analogy was for?

[Theland]

Not this time. The painted room suggested that the room didn't paint itself, but that a painter did it.

[pixie374]

Right. Did that have any relevance to God at all?

[naomi24]

AH, it’s not only Christians who insist it’s God’s work.

[Theland]

The only lesson from the painter story is that the room didn't paint itself. You know instinctively that somebody did it, a painter. That's all

Now when it comes to the universe, we know it had a beginning, the big bang, even atheist scientists agree on that.
But what about the cause?
It didn't create itself.
But because the universe is space/time and matter/energy, whoever or whatever was the cause, must have been outside of and beyond time, immaterial, that is, spirit, and supremely powerful and mighty to have created like this.

[pixie374]

Ok, theland, one point at a time :-)

//But what about the cause?
It didn't create itself.//

What a massive assumption. It's as likely to have created itself, as a supernatural mind to have done it. Ignoring your personal experience and views, where is the evidence for that?