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Self Righteous Religionists, Just Gotta Love Em Eh?
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My sons G/F is pregnant.
Her Uncle is a pastor.
He's just stated that the baby (my grandson) is a product of sin.
You just got to love these people of faith havnt you?
Dick!!
Her Uncle is a pastor.
He's just stated that the baby (my grandson) is a product of sin.
You just got to love these people of faith havnt you?
Dick!!
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During an impassioned sermon about death and final judgement, the pastor said forcefully, "Each member of this church is going to die and face judgement." Glancing down at the front pew, he noticed a man with a big smile on his face - the man was called Nailit. The minister repeated his point louder. "Each member of this church is going to die and face...
22:19 Thu 11th Feb 2021
Rational - based on or in accordance with reason and logic.
Well now, I certainly see my reflection in those words Naomi.
I don't deny the science, but I question it, often finding conflict amongst the cutting edge researchers.
Of course, the biggest question for me is, '' Is the Bible falsifiable?''
A prima facial case can be made for just that, until one peels back the layers and looks deeper.
The stories in the bible, for example, need some discrimination, to decide what they are, what is their function, what do they tell us?
Actually, you and many others on here have demonstrated time and time again that you process tremendous talent and scholarship, and yet it is misused to attack the Bible and Christianity in general, whereas your talents would be far better rewarded if you were to seriously investigate it all, and see what emerges.
For example, our slide into secularism has not been the atheist paradise envisioned by the likes of Dawkins, but has contributed in no small way to building a selfish, materialistic society, divided along complicated and ridiculous lines of intersectionality, and an underclass of expectation and dependency.
Anyway, you, Andy, Pixie, Vulcan, Zacs, Nailit, Hans, Martinmillar, Mamya, Soxy, are just some of the names that spring to mind, who are capable of further understanding my points.
Of course, one would hope that MIBs would contribute as well.
Maybe on a new thread?
Well now, I certainly see my reflection in those words Naomi.
I don't deny the science, but I question it, often finding conflict amongst the cutting edge researchers.
Of course, the biggest question for me is, '' Is the Bible falsifiable?''
A prima facial case can be made for just that, until one peels back the layers and looks deeper.
The stories in the bible, for example, need some discrimination, to decide what they are, what is their function, what do they tell us?
Actually, you and many others on here have demonstrated time and time again that you process tremendous talent and scholarship, and yet it is misused to attack the Bible and Christianity in general, whereas your talents would be far better rewarded if you were to seriously investigate it all, and see what emerges.
For example, our slide into secularism has not been the atheist paradise envisioned by the likes of Dawkins, but has contributed in no small way to building a selfish, materialistic society, divided along complicated and ridiculous lines of intersectionality, and an underclass of expectation and dependency.
Anyway, you, Andy, Pixie, Vulcan, Zacs, Nailit, Hans, Martinmillar, Mamya, Soxy, are just some of the names that spring to mind, who are capable of further understanding my points.
Of course, one would hope that MIBs would contribute as well.
Maybe on a new thread?
Yes there is always the danger of an inbuilt bias, and that is as true of you as for me.
Sadly, as all evidence has to be objectively verified, it rules out the most powerful evidence, subjective evidence, knowledge based on personal experience that can only be revealed anecdotally, but is no less real for all that.
Let me think on this further.
Bear in mind that I have no interest in trying to convince anybody by pulling the wool over their eyes.
I say what I know, from whatever source, very real to me and millions like me.
Sadly, as all evidence has to be objectively verified, it rules out the most powerful evidence, subjective evidence, knowledge based on personal experience that can only be revealed anecdotally, but is no less real for all that.
Let me think on this further.
Bear in mind that I have no interest in trying to convince anybody by pulling the wool over their eyes.
I say what I know, from whatever source, very real to me and millions like me.
Millions in agreement is irrelevant to discerning and determination of what is real. There are often as many or more who disagree, equally as irrelevant. Reality is not a product of belief or pools, no less so those that count only the hits while ignoring the misses. Assuming one desires to know what is real, a good starting point is to assume the possibility that no one knows, regardless of how many might believe they do. That too is irrelevant to the pursuit of knowledge. Everything that is known explicitly was a sometime unknown to anyone. Quotas and appeals to authority demonstrate weakness rather than the strength of an argument.
I have read everything that is there, warts and all, courtesy of the scientists who translate their work into layman's language.
So what is it I am conveniently ignoring?
MIBs, our quest for knowledge is not impaired by revelation, once the possibility of a higher power is accepted. Possibility remember, not certainty.
But when those revelations describe events that still lie in the future, I for one take them very seriously, and combined with personal experience, therein lies a powerful argument for God.
In parallel to this, science, forever pushing back the boundaries of knowledge, has said nothing to concretely negate the bible or God.
In fact, the progress of science takes it closer to the bible narrative.
So, warts and all, what do you think I am deliberately ignoring? What substantive evidence is there for this?
So what is it I am conveniently ignoring?
MIBs, our quest for knowledge is not impaired by revelation, once the possibility of a higher power is accepted. Possibility remember, not certainty.
But when those revelations describe events that still lie in the future, I for one take them very seriously, and combined with personal experience, therein lies a powerful argument for God.
In parallel to this, science, forever pushing back the boundaries of knowledge, has said nothing to concretely negate the bible or God.
In fact, the progress of science takes it closer to the bible narrative.
So, warts and all, what do you think I am deliberately ignoring? What substantive evidence is there for this?
Theland, you're going round in circles. There is no need for anyone to "disprove" the bible. As it has never been proven in the first place.
Everyone starts off "not believing" - that's default. It's up to you (or others who agree) to prove it in the first place. And in spite of millions trying, it never has been.
On this thread alone, you have shown a lack of morals, twice, due to "religion". And you also don't seem happy with gay marriages, or people, people of different colours (especially on tv)... I'm not sure why you suggest religion has morality? While also showing it disapproves of humanity.
Everyone starts off "not believing" - that's default. It's up to you (or others who agree) to prove it in the first place. And in spite of millions trying, it never has been.
On this thread alone, you have shown a lack of morals, twice, due to "religion". And you also don't seem happy with gay marriages, or people, people of different colours (especially on tv)... I'm not sure why you suggest religion has morality? While also showing it disapproves of humanity.
What has Christianity to do with open borders, and seeing our country going down the pan, an!y assisted by enforced diversity?
Are you happy seeing the loss of your country?
As for proving the bible, not so.
If you have a question, I'll try to answer, but Im not collecting converts, just trying to have a discussion, not a courtroom cross examination.
Strange how none of the points I raise are challenged?
Are you happy seeing the loss of your country?
As for proving the bible, not so.
If you have a question, I'll try to answer, but Im not collecting converts, just trying to have a discussion, not a courtroom cross examination.
Strange how none of the points I raise are challenged?
Theland, what do you mean "not so" about proving the bible? It never has been (or it would be science, not religion). So there is nothing to disprove.
You say the country is "going down the pan", while not entirely accepting or respecting people who are gay, not-white, a different or no religion, unwantedly pregnant women, rich, disabled people, for a start.... How can you make the world better, if you dislike most people?
You say the country is "going down the pan", while not entirely accepting or respecting people who are gay, not-white, a different or no religion, unwantedly pregnant women, rich, disabled people, for a start.... How can you make the world better, if you dislike most people?
Theland - // What has Christianity to do with open borders, and seeing our country going down the pan, an!y assisted by enforced diversity?
Are you happy seeing the loss of your country?
As for proving the bible, not so.
If you have a question, I'll try to answer, but Im not collecting converts, just trying to have a discussion, not a courtroom cross examination.
Strange how none of the points I raise are challenged? //
I for one have given up challenging you - you simply ignore my questions, or you answer so obliquely you'd make a politician blush, or you vanish and reappear another day and start again.
As for your xenophobic right-wing view of the country and its issues, ask your God, he's the one who made everything and oversees what's going on - it's his responsibility that his people are not doing what you think they should.
Are you happy seeing the loss of your country?
As for proving the bible, not so.
If you have a question, I'll try to answer, but Im not collecting converts, just trying to have a discussion, not a courtroom cross examination.
Strange how none of the points I raise are challenged? //
I for one have given up challenging you - you simply ignore my questions, or you answer so obliquely you'd make a politician blush, or you vanish and reappear another day and start again.
As for your xenophobic right-wing view of the country and its issues, ask your God, he's the one who made everything and oversees what's going on - it's his responsibility that his people are not doing what you think they should.
Andy, indeed. Ask God! Dear dear. That so misses the point.
Pixie - you are rather selective and exagerating my past views.
You need to start a different thread to tease out the wheat from the chaff!
Its lazy to attack my views with such broad brush strokes, when one specific issue st a time would allow me to answer in detail.
I am sure we are all aware of the direction in which this country is going, yet there are very few threads and posts dealing with them!
Why? Fear of moderation for not being PC?
There's more concern on here over eating out than there is about more serious societal issues. Bread and circuses.
Pixie - you are rather selective and exagerating my past views.
You need to start a different thread to tease out the wheat from the chaff!
Its lazy to attack my views with such broad brush strokes, when one specific issue st a time would allow me to answer in detail.
I am sure we are all aware of the direction in which this country is going, yet there are very few threads and posts dealing with them!
Why? Fear of moderation for not being PC?
There's more concern on here over eating out than there is about more serious societal issues. Bread and circuses.
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