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Theland | 01:03 Sun 31st Jan 2021 | Religion & Spirituality
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Nine and a half minutes. Very interesting.
Presented by Dinesh D'Souza, featuring Neo de Grasses Tyson.

https://youtu.be/jYi7yHeKBEI

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Then C.S.Lewis, a great thinker, and convert from unbelief.
Ten minutes.
https://youtu.be/ydyCqhzVZVE
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Ten minutes. Three sins to be especially wary of.
https://youtu.be/TTCXZ88eTZw
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I should have added to those three, '' Transcendence.''
Wandering into the realms of philosophy, and ill equipped to do so, but nevertheless, in spite of a limited education, its still interesting to learn the views of others.
After all, these things determine who we are, and how we relate to other people, our politics and our worldview.
Life should consist of more than simply going to work, and accumulating, ''things.''
Gone a bit dead in R&S recently....
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Only the sound of knives being sharpened.
Maybe that beyond kicking believers, the subject becomes too deep.
No hell below us. Above us only sky. Imagine, JL
//Only the sound of knives being sharpened.//

The only sound I hear is that of tumbleweed blowing around. This post sat here for over a week before anyone responded - and then the responses don’t relate to the subject matter. I suspect you’re disappointed that knives aren’t being sharpened, Theland. That would make you, in your own mind, a martyr to the cause - again. Perhaps next time, eh?
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Me? A martyr?
Sorry to disappoint.
There's more chance of me screaming, ''Not I! It was him, yes him over there!
I'm just a simple fellow with a library ticket! Please let me go!''
But you know, the whole martyr thing is so interesting.
Some like Solzhenitzin (?) are survivors, and maintain their humanity throughout their ordeal, even learning from it and passing on their knowledge.
Saransky was another, and as we speak, more are being forged in the gaols of Russia, Belorussia, China to name just s few.
Martyrdom is preceded usually by penury, and I'm ashamed to say I'm built for comfort:-)
But there you go, a word amidst the dust and the tumbleweed.
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Dear oh dear MIBs, that bet you put on Reason isn't paying out much is it?
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I must salute and remember Richard Wurmbrandt, a Romanian pastor who spent fourteen years in gaol for his faith.
In fact the word gaol is a gross overstatement of the conditions in which he was held.
Highly intelligent, I suspect a master of logic and reason, yet sustained only by his faith.
Yet the naturalist materialist worldview would suggest man has no spirit, just conscious material.
Given the above, I disagree.
//Dear oh dear MIBs, that bet you put on Reason isn't paying out much is it?//

No worries. I'm not suffering from any delusions or faithful expectations of reason paying out much if any dividends within the hallowed halls of R&S.

I visit here on occasion to witness the consequences of one lapse of reason in favour of a preferred belief, at what cost one sacrifices reason and the desire for a better understanding to fear of the unknown.

It is one thing to entertain a visit to the land of make believe and quite another to make it your permanent home.
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Yeah but, ah but, had you thought?
Our knowledge is not all empirical.
We can deduce new facts from former knowledge.
The big question remain .
1) Origin of the universe.
2) Life from non life.
3) The problems with evolution.
We can only turn to those who have studied these things all of their lives.
The naturalist materialists are unconvincing.
Theland, //We can deduce new facts from former knowledge. …..We can only turn to those who have studied these things all of their lives.//

The people you turn to meet the same insurmountable barrier that you meet. Their studies have produced no facts.
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On the contrary, new facts emerge all of the time.
The theoretical physicists have taken us beyond All Khalili and his active vacuum of virtual particles, to the realm of quantum fields, the electron and photon, gradually building up evidence that the creation in the Bible is right.
''Let there be light.''
Stop worming Theland. Their studies have produced nothing to demonstrate that your God even exists - far less that he created the universe. They have no ‘facts’… and neither do you.
naomi. you never cease asking for 'facts' & if non to your satisfaction are forthcoming you, assume there can be no underlying truth, but theological truth combines historic fact with unassailable moral principle & a journey of imagination beyond the reach of experience. It cannot be called untrue - only unproven, so why not adopt a more agnostic standpoint & say, "There probably is no God" ?
'theological truth combines historic fact with unassailable moral principle & a journey of imagination beyond the reach of experience'

Nice copy & paste Khandro (even if it is complete BS). Unless you're the person in The Spectator who wrote it?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/letters-is-cycling-really-conservative

I didn’t introduce the subject of ‘facts’, Khandro,. Theland did. If he claims to be in possession of ‘facts’ it’s perfectly reasonable for the reader to request some evidence of them. No?

//why not adopt a more agnostic standpoint & say, "There probably is no God" ?//

When did I say otherwise? That said, until evidence is forthcoming I have to assume that none exists. Same with fairies.

//only unproven//

Actually, I have to take issue with that too. In order to ‘prove’ anything one needs to examine and verify the available evidence. Again, I’ve seen none. Therefore to assume ‘evidence’ exists is just that - an assumption. It has no foundation in reason.
// Unless you're the person in The Spectator who wrote it?//

Hmm, an interesting theory.
Well, you're either a plagiarist (I could immediately tell it wasn't written in your idiom) or..................

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