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Deskdiary | 18:50 Sat 12th Oct 2019 | Religion & Spirituality
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7565499/Victorian-priest-poet-Cardinal-Newman-canonised-historic-ceremony-Vatican.html

You'd like to think, in 2019, that people had grown-up and realised what total rubbish religion is.

In 2013 an American had a torn placenta and prayed to Cardinal John Henry Newman to stop the bleeding - and lo and behold, the bleeding stopped.

That's what people in the real world with a grasp of reality call a coincidence.

I wish religionists would sometimes consider what they think objectively. If they did you'd hope they'd have an epiphany and realise they're being ridiculous.

I genuinely believe that people who believe in god and heaven and so on have a form of mental illness. If I swore blind in the existence of leprachauns, people would quite rightly question my sanity....and yet even though there's as much proof in the existence of god (i.e, NONE), were meant to take their nuttery seriously and respect it.

Madness.
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In several conflicts including the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, the Syrian civil war, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, religious elements are overtly present. However Khandro, I did not mention war, I said fightings and killings, remember the conflicts in Northern Ireland? Do you consider yourself to be a Christian Theland? if so, why do you show hatred for your fellow man?
** John Lennon was a complete selfish violent idiot, and Liverpool wasted a good airport naming it after this egomaniac.** Charming!
I notice Theland has conveniently dropped Hitler from his list.
To be fair, John Lennon was a wife beater with a volatile temper.

And only the third best songwriter in The Beatles.
Vulcan - Hitler? A supposed Catholic but correct me if I'm wrong.
But do you honestly believe that after letting his true feelings rule his politics that he had any belief or fear of God?
I would say he was an atheist but his sidekicks were into the occult.
Maybe somebody could enlighten me but I would not class Mr H as religious.
Adolf H. wasn't religious in any sense of the word, but he admired Islam & supported the Muslim Brotherhood, giving them property (which still exists) in Munich.
It was the unquestioning following of its fascistic leaders, the imams, which he aspired to replicate in himself.
Naomi - "Atheism wasn't their impetus."
No, but they had no fear of a higher power to instil some moral code.
Yes?
Sparkly - " How can I hate that which does not exist," (paraphrased I think), we'll just watch Richard Dawkins lectures or debates.
You will be astonished at the mans hatred.
Hi Theland. Dawkins doesn't suffer fools gladly, great man.

Just glanced at the GBEB thread and noted you saying "I have no one to turn to"

I found that strange given your beliefs, just an observation, no offence intended.
//Dawkins doesn't suffer fools gladly,//
It takes one to know one, they say.
Khandro, that gives a false impression. Hitler recognised Islam’s ambition and methods but his admiration was purely political, the determination to conquer by the sword mutual. Hitler regarded the Arabic peoples as racially and socially inferior describing them as ‘at best lacquered half-apes’. Quite simply, the generally unacknowledged differences between the ideology of Islam and Nazisim are negligible.

Theland, //they had no fear of a higher power to instil some moral code. //

When madmen believe they’re justified in doing what they do, they consider that any higher power they may cleave to is an ally. ‘Gott mit uns’ proclaimed the badge on the belt of the German military – and oddly enough God was with us too - allegedly. The only people God appears to have abandoned completely were his favourites – the Jews.

Hitler described himself as a Christian and Jesus as an Aryan opponent of the Jews, justifying Nazi crimes against the Jews by endorsing propaganda perpetrated for two thousand years that they were responsible for Christ’s execution. That, of course, doesn’t explain his determination to annihilate others so one can only conclude that his primary ambition was solely to lead a superior Ayrian race. The simplest explanations are often the most likely.

Hitler was a madman who had no hesitation is utilising anything he thought would further his cause so in actual fact anyone seeking to fulfil a personal agenda can make what they will of his history. You want him to be Christian? You’ll find it. Atheist? You’ll find it. It’s all there because Hitler is a good example only of a tyrannical megalomaniac and of the dangerous influence that such a man is capable of imposing upon the hysterical masses.

Richard Dawkins doesn’t hate your God. He offers rational arguments against a philosophy he regards as damaging.

Following on from SparklyKid’s comments. I agree with him. Your woes are clearly many, Theland. I have to say your God doesn’t seem to bring you happiness or contentment.
Theland, if Hitler was not religious why did he continue with the German tradition of having Gott mit uns on all soldiers belt buckles?
Gott mit uns is not German for I've got my gloves, it translates into God is with us.
My apologies naomi, your post wasn't there when I checked.
No problem, Vulcan. Great minds ... and all that. :o)
My post @ 23.35pm last night seems to have been ignored since vulcan mentioned Hitler! If Khandro and Theland are still about, could you respond to that post please as I have mentioned both of you in it?
Barsel; Most wars, conflicts, acts of aggression (call them what you like) are political & based on territorial claims.
The egregious contradiction to this comes continually from only one religion which often fights against sectarian divisions within itself & has aspirations to world domination - by violence if necessary, & with supreme irony (or double-think) it calls itself, "The religion of peace"!
Khandro, are you talking about christianity?
atheist//Khandro, are you talking about christianity?//
I hope you are joking, rather than being ignorant.
You would have to go back a long way to find a war concerned with Christianity, to the 17th century in fact, but then modern historians tend to eschew the religious dimension of that & describe it as a struggle against the autocracy of Charles 1.
If you want to find a war based solely on Christianity you would have to go back 7 centuries to the last of the crusades.
K, I was thinking about extremist Christian evangelicals who would like to see Islam destroyed, possibly by a big Armageddon, so that their brand of Christianity would be established as the world arbitrator of private belief and social and public law. I abhor militant religion of any variety.
Atheist, which brand of Christianity were you thinking of?
Vulcan // Gott mit uns is not German for I've got my gloves //

lol.

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