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Are You, Like Me, A Proud Infidel?
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Is it not time do you think, that we should brandish and flaunt our status as infidels and send a message to Muslims that Britons are stirring and waking up?
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I agree that Islam is one of the biggest problems that western democracies face today. Anyone who doubts this doesn't understand Islam and knows little of the history of Islam. In every single country were Islam becomes the majority religion, persecution of non-muslims is rife. From the Islamic takeover of Spain over a thousand years ago to the recent ousting of the Shah in the 1970s in Iran, the pattern of subjugation, repression and religious intolerance is repeated over and over and over again. Nowhere in the world does Islam play nice with it's non-Islamic communities.
Islam likes to claim that it is the “religion of peace” but anyone who knows anything about Islamic scripture knows that this is simply a play on words. It does not mean what it purports to mean. In fact, it means the opposite. Interpreted honestly and correctly, most muslims are aware that it really means, “when all the world is Islamic, then there will be peace”. The absurdity of this deception is quite laughable since Islam not only cannot and does not play nice with its neighbours, it can't even play nice with itself. Witness the ongoing and seemingly never-ending schism between the Sunni and the Shia.
I agree with the late Christopher Hitchens when he stated, “All religions are equal glimpses of the same untruth. They all involve the surrender of reason, they all involve contempt for evidence.”. I suspect that Theland's objections to Islam has far more to the do with the fact that it isn't Christianity than it is to do with Islam's authoritarian, dictatorial and undemocratic form of governance.
However, I remain open minded on Theland's motives for posting this question despite my earlier statement at the top of this thread. If Islam could be disappeared tomorrow, I wonder what he would prefer; a secular, open society where Christianity could be openly mocked or even ridiculed (as we essentially have today in the UK) or whether he would prefer a society where such things were largely taboo?
Islam likes to claim that it is the “religion of peace” but anyone who knows anything about Islamic scripture knows that this is simply a play on words. It does not mean what it purports to mean. In fact, it means the opposite. Interpreted honestly and correctly, most muslims are aware that it really means, “when all the world is Islamic, then there will be peace”. The absurdity of this deception is quite laughable since Islam not only cannot and does not play nice with its neighbours, it can't even play nice with itself. Witness the ongoing and seemingly never-ending schism between the Sunni and the Shia.
I agree with the late Christopher Hitchens when he stated, “All religions are equal glimpses of the same untruth. They all involve the surrender of reason, they all involve contempt for evidence.”. I suspect that Theland's objections to Islam has far more to the do with the fact that it isn't Christianity than it is to do with Islam's authoritarian, dictatorial and undemocratic form of governance.
However, I remain open minded on Theland's motives for posting this question despite my earlier statement at the top of this thread. If Islam could be disappeared tomorrow, I wonder what he would prefer; a secular, open society where Christianity could be openly mocked or even ridiculed (as we essentially have today in the UK) or whether he would prefer a society where such things were largely taboo?
You, I (both atheists) and the many MaggieBees share a culture, Birdie - good evening, by the way. It's very difficult for any inheritor of the Western tradition who's been brought up with "Love your enemy and bless those who persecute you" (because the Christian God hates the sin but loves the sinner) to understand that a different religious tradition is founded on the contrary principle "Hate your enemy" (because no good Muslim can love those Allah hates).
VE - “We somehow need to convince the Maggies that the average imam is not like Dawn French.”
Most people who know next to nothing about Islam have a hard time reconciling the literal truth of Islam with the fabricated false narrative regurgitated by a complicit main stream media who are desperate to appear none partisan. People ignorant of Islamic scripture and/or acting as unwitting apologists for it erect enormous mental barriers against any suggestion that Islam is anything but a peaceful, all inclusive religion. The problem is that reality has no respect for anyone's beliefs. Reality trumps belief every time.
Reality and history has shown precisely what Islam does when it gets a whiff of political power: aggressive subjugation of non-Islamic opponents, imposition of punitive laws against non-muslims and the abolition of basic civil liberties.
People who think that Islamic rule is benevolent to those who don't adopt the Islam belief system pose a very real danger to themselves and everyone else.
“Appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive.” - Dean Rusk
Most people who know next to nothing about Islam have a hard time reconciling the literal truth of Islam with the fabricated false narrative regurgitated by a complicit main stream media who are desperate to appear none partisan. People ignorant of Islamic scripture and/or acting as unwitting apologists for it erect enormous mental barriers against any suggestion that Islam is anything but a peaceful, all inclusive religion. The problem is that reality has no respect for anyone's beliefs. Reality trumps belief every time.
Reality and history has shown precisely what Islam does when it gets a whiff of political power: aggressive subjugation of non-Islamic opponents, imposition of punitive laws against non-muslims and the abolition of basic civil liberties.
People who think that Islamic rule is benevolent to those who don't adopt the Islam belief system pose a very real danger to themselves and everyone else.
“Appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive.” - Dean Rusk
More poetically described (than Rusk) by two contemporaries as:
"l'appétit vient en mangeant"
and
"As if increase of appetite had grown By what it fed on."
Why are the dhimmis so ready to accede to the demands of the bullies? At this moment, though not in twenty years time, all that needs to be done is decide on a policy of "Stop it!".
"l'appétit vient en mangeant"
and
"As if increase of appetite had grown By what it fed on."
Why are the dhimmis so ready to accede to the demands of the bullies? At this moment, though not in twenty years time, all that needs to be done is decide on a policy of "Stop it!".
As an aside, Birdie, a sad moment:
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Agree Jackdaw, a lot of things happened under communist rule - we all know that Enver Hoxha was a great friend of Stalin's. However, Albania is now a democracy and things have changed drastically in the years since Hoxha died. I have worked, lived, eaten and slept in the homes of Albanians and, hand on heart, have never met a more peace loving and hard working people. My (adopted) daughter is a GP and absolutely hates radical Islam. My old boss is an ambassador under Edi Rama's government. He travels the world spreading understanding and making trade deals. He is also the president of the Albanian chapter of People to People International, a world wide organisation spreading peace and understanding between nations.
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