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Given that any religious or spiritual question arouses extreme venom from some, what would be an acceptable subject matter to post on here?
If I am the cause of so much annoyance, why read my posts? Why respond to them? Why not leave it to some who might actually be interested?
Why scare people off with your blatant abuse and ridicule?
If I am the cause of so much annoyance, why read my posts? Why respond to them? Why not leave it to some who might actually be interested?
Why scare people off with your blatant abuse and ridicule?
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Hi Theland - I'm not a regular contributor to this board, but perhaps I can try to help. Many people are comfortable with their own personal relationship with their god. I include myself in that. I feel no need or drive to tell people about that relationship
09:34 Sun 26th Nov 2017
Theland - “....Why scare people off with your blatant abuse and ridicule?”
If you're worried about being ridiculed, try not blindly defending an illogical, irrational, incoherent, mess of a religion. Look at the passages of your holy books critically and then – perhaps – you'll understand why those of us not indoctrinated into the cult of religious belief treat the concept of everlasting life with a supernatural creator deity at its core as the laughable idiocy that is so clearly is.
If you're worried about being ridiculed, try not blindly defending an illogical, irrational, incoherent, mess of a religion. Look at the passages of your holy books critically and then – perhaps – you'll understand why those of us not indoctrinated into the cult of religious belief treat the concept of everlasting life with a supernatural creator deity at its core as the laughable idiocy that is so clearly is.
Hi Theland - I'm not a regular contributor to this board, but perhaps I can try to help.
Many people are comfortable with their own personal relationship with their god. I include myself in that. I feel no need or drive to tell people about that relationship, or how it brings pleasure and confidence to me.
I'm very happy to discuss that relationship with other people in the hope of developing that personal relationship further.
The difficulty comes when someone else tries to suggest that their personal experience is better than mine and that I should therefore seek to emulate that person's own belief system and relationship with their god - even though that person is not really prepared to listen to my personal spiritual experiences.
I happen to believe that one's relationship with one's god is an intensely personal and individual experience. That does not mean anyone else should think that way. You are free to believe whatever makes you feel good.
Please respect the idea that others have their own good and positive experiences of their own respective gods.
I respect your freedom to believe whatever you wish to believe and that you get positive benefits from those beliefs and your relationship with your god.
You may find that your comments will receive a better reception if you bear in mind that many here appreciate that kind of open-minded respect for their individual relationships with their own gods (or Gods as the case may be).
Sincerely D
Many people are comfortable with their own personal relationship with their god. I include myself in that. I feel no need or drive to tell people about that relationship, or how it brings pleasure and confidence to me.
I'm very happy to discuss that relationship with other people in the hope of developing that personal relationship further.
The difficulty comes when someone else tries to suggest that their personal experience is better than mine and that I should therefore seek to emulate that person's own belief system and relationship with their god - even though that person is not really prepared to listen to my personal spiritual experiences.
I happen to believe that one's relationship with one's god is an intensely personal and individual experience. That does not mean anyone else should think that way. You are free to believe whatever makes you feel good.
Please respect the idea that others have their own good and positive experiences of their own respective gods.
I respect your freedom to believe whatever you wish to believe and that you get positive benefits from those beliefs and your relationship with your god.
You may find that your comments will receive a better reception if you bear in mind that many here appreciate that kind of open-minded respect for their individual relationships with their own gods (or Gods as the case may be).
Sincerely D
Theland. What has happened to you? Back in the day, you used to be so much fun. You took (and gave) a dig or two in good humor. You interacted with other ABers and at least attempted to answer questions put to you. You were more...how shall we say...human?
Now, you come across as bitter, preachy, and self righteous and holier than thou. Is this what years of Christianity has done to you?
Glad I left that cult years ago if it is.
Now, you come across as bitter, preachy, and self righteous and holier than thou. Is this what years of Christianity has done to you?
Glad I left that cult years ago if it is.
Theland - I have said before, and I am happy to repeat -
intelligent people do not appreciate being talked down to, and that is what you do.
I don't believe that you genuinely ask questions in the sense of seeking an answer, which is what the section is for, since you are asking.
What you want to do is ask a question to which you already have the answer you want, and then ignore anyone who attempts to engage you in debate.
If you think your threads represent 'extreme venom', then I would conclude that you are far too thin-skinned and mimsy to go about preaching your views in the high-handed manner that you do, since you are unable to cope with people reacting against not your faith, but your arrogance.
If anyone is interested in your posts, they will answer, I don't believe anyone is 'put off' by the responses you get.
Here's a novelty - why not try answering the people who answer you, and engaging in some meaningful dialogue, instead of tutting because people don't answer they way you want them to, or you think they should?
intelligent people do not appreciate being talked down to, and that is what you do.
I don't believe that you genuinely ask questions in the sense of seeking an answer, which is what the section is for, since you are asking.
What you want to do is ask a question to which you already have the answer you want, and then ignore anyone who attempts to engage you in debate.
If you think your threads represent 'extreme venom', then I would conclude that you are far too thin-skinned and mimsy to go about preaching your views in the high-handed manner that you do, since you are unable to cope with people reacting against not your faith, but your arrogance.
If anyone is interested in your posts, they will answer, I don't believe anyone is 'put off' by the responses you get.
Here's a novelty - why not try answering the people who answer you, and engaging in some meaningful dialogue, instead of tutting because people don't answer they way you want them to, or you think they should?
Few people are very good at recognising their own flaws. Oh, they'll say they do, but they really don't. I'm no exception, even this being an example I'm sure of pretending how aware of my mistakes I am when I only think I know what they are -- although you can go too far down a rabbit hole like that.
My own impression is that you haven't asked very many questions that "honestly", and so I tend to stay away from wasting any time answering them or engaging with them because I'm already fairly confident I know how much (read: how little) attention you'll pay to it. For example, in a topic you posted about "who or what created the Universe", anyway a not particularly original thought, your follow-up post included the not-at-all sardonic "Ah yes, the scientific explanation", as if such things are beneath your contempt.
It doesn't create a welcoming atmosphere to engage in very much. As it happens, I did take part in that thread, but mainly to engage in a side-argument. But if you wanted to debate the physics of how a Universe can come from nothing, then I'm happy to do so on the understanding that -- how shall I put this? -- you allow that I might have something useful to contribute to that discussion beyond what popular science books might have to offer.
It's the same with most of your threads, really. As a rule of thumb you can't claim to respect the opinions of people you then blast as having "a total lack of understanding", or of suffering from a "predominant delusion", or what have you. Also this bizarre reference to "high priests of atheism" is a bit odd. There are no such things. Or, in as much as there are, you can safely ignore them. There is a subset of atheists who are very aggressive and almost as devoted to preaching as the religious they profess to hate, but such people can be safely ignored and aren't representative of atheism as a whole.
I suspect that you may ignore this criticism as well. That is of course your prerogative but, all the same, maybe there's something in it you might want to take consideration of.
At the very least, in future, perhaps when asking a question you could delay rejecting the answers until after they've been given, rather than pre-emptively.
My own impression is that you haven't asked very many questions that "honestly", and so I tend to stay away from wasting any time answering them or engaging with them because I'm already fairly confident I know how much (read: how little) attention you'll pay to it. For example, in a topic you posted about "who or what created the Universe", anyway a not particularly original thought, your follow-up post included the not-at-all sardonic "Ah yes, the scientific explanation", as if such things are beneath your contempt.
It doesn't create a welcoming atmosphere to engage in very much. As it happens, I did take part in that thread, but mainly to engage in a side-argument. But if you wanted to debate the physics of how a Universe can come from nothing, then I'm happy to do so on the understanding that -- how shall I put this? -- you allow that I might have something useful to contribute to that discussion beyond what popular science books might have to offer.
It's the same with most of your threads, really. As a rule of thumb you can't claim to respect the opinions of people you then blast as having "a total lack of understanding", or of suffering from a "predominant delusion", or what have you. Also this bizarre reference to "high priests of atheism" is a bit odd. There are no such things. Or, in as much as there are, you can safely ignore them. There is a subset of atheists who are very aggressive and almost as devoted to preaching as the religious they profess to hate, but such people can be safely ignored and aren't representative of atheism as a whole.
I suspect that you may ignore this criticism as well. That is of course your prerogative but, all the same, maybe there's something in it you might want to take consideration of.
At the very least, in future, perhaps when asking a question you could delay rejecting the answers until after they've been given, rather than pre-emptively.
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