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Stephen Fry Blasphemy Investigation
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I thought this was a joke article from one of those spoof news sites when I first saw it. There are lots of questions here but I'll go with 'Does anyone think he'll actually be charged with the offence?'
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He's a coward because he uses his (non-deserved) fame to attack an institution which he knows will 'turn the other cheek'.
As I have indicated and v_e has said earlier, he wouldn't dare say such things to Muslims - though it is the same God he is denigrating, but they don't seem to be aware of him - yet.
As I have indicated and v_e has said earlier, he wouldn't dare say such things to Muslims - though it is the same God he is denigrating, but they don't seem to be aware of him - yet.
Khandro - // He's a coward because he uses his (non-deserved) fame to attack an institution which he knows will 'turn the other cheek'. //
I don't believe he has attacked any 'institution' - merely given his views on the prospect of God being real, and if so, behaving as he does.
In terms of 'turning the other cheek' - that is what the Christian faith dictates, you really can't confirm with that faith, and then moan because other people act in a way that makes you exercise what your faith demands.
// As I have indicated and v_e has said earlier, he wouldn't dare say such things to Muslims - though it is the same God he is denigrating, but they don't seem to be aware of him - yet. //
He hasn't said anything against any religion per se - so Muslims are just as included - although actually not - in terms of what he said.
I don't believe he has attacked any 'institution' - merely given his views on the prospect of God being real, and if so, behaving as he does.
In terms of 'turning the other cheek' - that is what the Christian faith dictates, you really can't confirm with that faith, and then moan because other people act in a way that makes you exercise what your faith demands.
// As I have indicated and v_e has said earlier, he wouldn't dare say such things to Muslims - though it is the same God he is denigrating, but they don't seem to be aware of him - yet. //
He hasn't said anything against any religion per se - so Muslims are just as included - although actually not - in terms of what he said.
There is no parallel between this case and that of Asia Bibi and others in Pakistan and those in Indonesia. Those states have constitutions based on Religious Sharia law under which blasphemy is a serious crime. Ireland is a secular state with secular law, to have a blasphemy law in a secular state is an aberration.
This is NOT to say that I do not deplore the blasphemy charges in Muslim states. It is very wrong and needs to be changed, not that there is much chance of it happening !
This is NOT to say that I do not deplore the blasphemy charges in Muslim states. It is very wrong and needs to be changed, not that there is much chance of it happening !
//There is no parallel between this case and that of Asia Bibi and others in Pakistan and those in Indonesia. Those states have constitutions based on Religious Sharia law under which blasphemy is a serious crime. Ireland is a secular state with secular law, to have a blasphemy law in a secular state is an aberration.//
Quite so, Eddie. But there are hundreds of thousands (probably millions) of people living in secular Europe who remain attached to the Sharia and would be happy to see its laws enforced and its punishments enacted. So, while no Frys will be charged and punished for breaking an anomalous Irish or other blasphemy law designed to protect Christianity, people in the West will continue to be attacked and punished for flouting Sharia blasphemy laws. Not as many, perhaps, as in the past: the capitulation to Sharia by the mainstream media which started with the Rushdie affair has now been made complete by the Charlie Hebdo murders.
Furthermore, the blasphemy provisions of Sharia have found new friends in many Western legislators. Hate-speech laws are an example. As these are entirely subjectively defined they can be used to punish any criticism of Islam. Here's a recent totally unembarrassed example from Trudeau's Canada:
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Quite so, Eddie. But there are hundreds of thousands (probably millions) of people living in secular Europe who remain attached to the Sharia and would be happy to see its laws enforced and its punishments enacted. So, while no Frys will be charged and punished for breaking an anomalous Irish or other blasphemy law designed to protect Christianity, people in the West will continue to be attacked and punished for flouting Sharia blasphemy laws. Not as many, perhaps, as in the past: the capitulation to Sharia by the mainstream media which started with the Rushdie affair has now been made complete by the Charlie Hebdo murders.
Furthermore, the blasphemy provisions of Sharia have found new friends in many Western legislators. Hate-speech laws are an example. As these are entirely subjectively defined they can be used to punish any criticism of Islam. Here's a recent totally unembarrassed example from Trudeau's Canada:
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vetuste - Your post is taking the thread so far off topic that it's not possible to see it any more.
Blasphemy laws and culture in Islam are not the topic of debate - blasphemy maws in Ireland, and Stephen Fry is what we are discussing.
If you want a Sharia Law debate, I suggest you start your own thread instead if chicaning this one.
Blasphemy laws and culture in Islam are not the topic of debate - blasphemy maws in Ireland, and Stephen Fry is what we are discussing.
If you want a Sharia Law debate, I suggest you start your own thread instead if chicaning this one.
postscript (maybe); Not only is Stephen Fry a coward for attacking the God of the bible, knowing that he will face no incrimination and as has been stated, he dare not say the same things about 'Allah' even though it is the same God, for fear of reprisal from the Muslims, he would also not attack the God of the Jews - also the same God again and with may names including 'Yahweh' - not because he would face reprisal from the Jews, but because he would fear being called an anti-Semite by civilised society.
The Bible list over 80 names for 'God'
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