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Why do you not believe in a God?...
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Why do I not believe in a God? Because believing never made it so and if the existence of a 'God' is as important as it is asserted to be than knowing and understanding what it is that you believe and how you know it to be true is no less important. To believe arbitrarily in the arbitrary is a potentially dangerous proposition in proportion to the ramifications of what that particular belief entails.
As humans we have evolved into a complex species whose survival strategy rests in and has come to rely on our capacity to know understand and meet the demands imposed on our survival and well-being by reality through a process of reason, if not your own than someone else's on whom you have imposed the burden, not some invisible agent who lives in the sky but another responsible thinking caring human being. We exist as humans not simply because we can think but because we do think . . . objectively and rationally. We exist not by believing what we like but by knowing what we must and thereby believing and doing what we should.
Proof that ‘God’ does not exist as other than the product of an unbridled imagination unfettered by the knowledge which contradicts such beliefs is contained in the ineffability of what ‘God’ is alleged and supposed to be. Consciousness, perception, reason and intentional purposeful creation are the products of living organisms which possess the physical means to carry out the cognitive processes required to achieve consciousness, perception, reason, and creativity, means and processes not only made possible by the existence of such highly evolved organisms but on which their continued existence and further evolution rely.
The ‘reasons’ typically given for believing in a God, of whatever the chosen flavour, are proof of nothing other than that the believer has not yet fully grasped the nature, means, and processes by which we became that which define us as intelligent rational beings worthy of the distinction of that which distinguishes us from all other animals . . . reason. A ‘reason’ is not an excuse to believe what you choose but the process of non-contradictory identification and integration of acquired knowledge by which we determine and choose what we should believe, a process which at every turn in our accumulation and integration of newly acquired knowledge ultimately leads to the only rational conclusion that can be made regarding God, that He can not and therefore does not exist.
I don’t believe because reason informs my beliefs and with regards to God tells me I should never attempt to substitute faith for doubt in the pursuit of the very knowledge which informs me what I should never believe . . . and why.
As humans we have evolved into a complex species whose survival strategy rests in and has come to rely on our capacity to know understand and meet the demands imposed on our survival and well-being by reality through a process of reason, if not your own than someone else's on whom you have imposed the burden, not some invisible agent who lives in the sky but another responsible thinking caring human being. We exist as humans not simply because we can think but because we do think . . . objectively and rationally. We exist not by believing what we like but by knowing what we must and thereby believing and doing what we should.
Proof that ‘God’ does not exist as other than the product of an unbridled imagination unfettered by the knowledge which contradicts such beliefs is contained in the ineffability of what ‘God’ is alleged and supposed to be. Consciousness, perception, reason and intentional purposeful creation are the products of living organisms which possess the physical means to carry out the cognitive processes required to achieve consciousness, perception, reason, and creativity, means and processes not only made possible by the existence of such highly evolved organisms but on which their continued existence and further evolution rely.
The ‘reasons’ typically given for believing in a God, of whatever the chosen flavour, are proof of nothing other than that the believer has not yet fully grasped the nature, means, and processes by which we became that which define us as intelligent rational beings worthy of the distinction of that which distinguishes us from all other animals . . . reason. A ‘reason’ is not an excuse to believe what you choose but the process of non-contradictory identification and integration of acquired knowledge by which we determine and choose what we should believe, a process which at every turn in our accumulation and integration of newly acquired knowledge ultimately leads to the only rational conclusion that can be made regarding God, that He can not and therefore does not exist.
I don’t believe because reason informs my beliefs and with regards to God tells me I should never attempt to substitute faith for doubt in the pursuit of the very knowledge which informs me what I should never believe . . . and why.
Khandro - “... I have observed that I am not an observer...”
You really do type the most meaningless twaddle sometimes. You were asked a straight question and you come up with this? Then when asked to explain yourself you say, “Only those with a hardy perseverance can be expected to understand.”. All very enigmatic I'm sure.
I would ask you to explain why you feel the need to join in these types of discussions if all you're going to add is pointless pseudo philosophical claptrap but you'd most probably provide me with an even more opaque response.
So I won't.
You really do type the most meaningless twaddle sometimes. You were asked a straight question and you come up with this? Then when asked to explain yourself you say, “Only those with a hardy perseverance can be expected to understand.”. All very enigmatic I'm sure.
I would ask you to explain why you feel the need to join in these types of discussions if all you're going to add is pointless pseudo philosophical claptrap but you'd most probably provide me with an even more opaque response.
So I won't.
Khandro
This thread is about discussing the strength of arguments for/against the existence of God. Most of us have calmly answered and outlined the arguments against which we find most persuasive. This is considerably more than the vast majority of our resident believers have deigned to do in either this thread or the other two.
If you're so sure of yourself, why can't you defend your argument? Why is the only response you have to any kind of critical enquiry just pretentious doublespeak?
This thread is about discussing the strength of arguments for/against the existence of God. Most of us have calmly answered and outlined the arguments against which we find most persuasive. This is considerably more than the vast majority of our resident believers have deigned to do in either this thread or the other two.
If you're so sure of yourself, why can't you defend your argument? Why is the only response you have to any kind of critical enquiry just pretentious doublespeak?
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