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cupid04 | 00:50 Mon 11th Jun 2012 | Religion & Spirituality
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Often we want to be somewhere other than where we are, or
even to be someone other than who we are.
We tend to compare ourselves constantly with ohers and wonder
why we are not as rich, as intellegent, as simple, as generous,
as saintly as they are. Such comparisons make us feel, guilty,
ashamed, or jealous...
We are unique human beings, each with a call to realise in ife
what no one else can, and to realise it here in the concrete
context of the here and now.
We will never find happiness by trying to figure out whether
we are better or worse than others. We are good enough to
do what we are called to do.
Be yourself!
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Do we tend to do that? I used to hope to be somewhere near what great talents had achieved by my age; Einstein at x years, some other at y years and so on, but gave up when I passed the age when Brahms had written his first symphony (about 40) and I hadn't. LOL

We accept that others have more talent or more luck or wealth. When we do resent someone having what we haven't, it's because we think we are their equals; that is what breeds jealousy. Before their parents, the brother is jealous of brother, and in the world the same applies among those of equal rank in an organisation, but no ordinary man is jealous of the billionaire or the duke because he never sees them as like him.
Cupid -

Nice copy & paste job there. Would you be so kind as to tell us where you got it from? While I am waiting, I shall address your C&P post.


Cupid - “... Often we want to be somewhere other than where we are, or even to be someone other than who we are...”

Indeed we do. Like the inhabitants of Homs (Syria) for instance. I think they'd rather be anywhere else other than in Homs. I know I would. Strangely, I don't see God intervening in that conflict and magically spiriting away the innocent people so that they can no longer be dismembered by bombs and other ordinance.


Cupid - “... We tend to compare ourselves constantly with others and wonder why we are not as rich, as intelligent, as simple, as generous, as saintly as they are. Such comparisons make us feel, guilty, ashamed, or jealous...”

Speak for yourself. I don't look at other people and feel guilty, ashamed or jealous simply because I am not as wealthy, as intelligent or as 'saintly' as they are. This statement is typical of the Christian belief system that everyone is 'guilty' and everyone is full of 'sin'. Some of use have matured beyond our childish fantasies and fears and recognised that this falsehood is a method of control. The Catholic Church thrives on the concept of guilt and sin.


Cupid - “.... We are unique human beings, each with a call to realise in life what no one else can, and to realise it here in the concrete context of the here and now...”

I agree. We need to live in the here and now and not falsely dream of lifetimes yet to come after we are dead.


Cupid - “... We will never find happiness by trying to figure out whether we are better or worse than others. We are good enough to do what we are called to do. Be yourself!...”

I am myself.
I reject your God and all other Gods.
I am an Atheist.
First and second paragraphs - Speak for yourself
Second and third paragraphs - You've only just worked this out?
//Be yourself!//

That is by far about the meanest thing anyone has ever said to me . . . like there really is an alternative.

Whenever people tell me to "be myself" I'm once again reminded of my inability to live up to my own expectations, let alone the expectations of those around me. Who the hell do they think I am?

Erm . . . kindly disregard the last question.
I have never wanted to be anyone else. Agreed, I might have tried differently but would I have been better for it? My God will be the judge of that.
Mibs - “.... Be yourself!... That is by far about the meanest thing anyone has ever said to me... like there really is an alternative...”

For crying out loud, keep it real.


;-)
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I've no idea of the author. It was handed out to us at church the other week
and I thought I'd share it. Yes I am a christian [not of the catholic upbringing].
I dont feel guilt. Christ frees me from that. I do not wish to share which
denomination I belong to. I believe we are all one in the body of Christ. I chose
to be a christian, no one bullied or brainwashed me. I walked into a christmas
carol service over 24 years ago and I loved it so much, I've been there ever
since. They are ordinary people like you and me except I choose to believe
and you dont. That's your choice. I do wonder what you hope to achieve with
your posts day in day out. Do you hope you will win new atheist converts?
I am very sad about the conflicts in Syria and other parts of the world also.
But they are not all caused by believers. Most of the worlds problems stem
from greed and the need for power. I dont profess to have all the answers and
I'd like to see the world become a better place where we could live side by
side without prejudice. To be honest I didn't expect the answers i got, I just
wanted to share, but anything that dosen't fit in with your way of thinking
seems to put you on the defensive. Off to get some sleep, so good night to
you all!
I've never wanted to be anybody else, I'm happy with who I am, not perfect but quite acceptable.
Are you training to become a JW cold caller?
"We have the key ... you be you, and I'll be me"

This song ("The Key") has a dig at institutionalised religion ...

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The cry of offended evangelists everywhere - "I was only trying to share, I was only trying to help" - Never once do they consider that their sharing may be offensive to others.

And something else I have noticed - like some other avowed christians that have posted here, cupid seems to be very coy about their particular brand of faith - Surely in the spirit of sharing, you should be only too happy to share with us your particular brand of belief? Or are you ashamed of it? Why else would you say "I do not wish to share which
denomination I belong to" ?

I for one would appreciate it if you at least state the source of what you are posting, when you post it.

As to the "day in, day out" posts - I see at least as many from those who believe as those who don't. As to the worlds problems and what causes them, I would strongly recommend you look again. Communities in Nigeria slaughtering each other, over their brand of religion. Communities in Syria, slaughtering children and innocents, over their particular brand of the same religion. Breivik in Norway slaughtering children because they are part of a system that allows the immigration into Norway of Muslims, and he has set himself up as a defender of the faith.
Everywhere you look, cupid, from virtually any decade of our recorded history, you will find conflict, death and destruction from the followers of one brand of religion of another -simply because they follow another faith.

"God is Love" say the faithful. Based upon the evidence, Gods love is sick, twisted and murderous, and such sugary confections as your OP look trite, facile and inconsequential.
Lazygun
//Everywhere you look, cupid, from virtually any decade of our recorded history, you will find conflict, death and destruction from the followers of one brand of religion of another -simply because they follow another faith//

No. There is in fact one “religion” that will not and does not participate in conflict, these ones will NOT fight another regardless of what faith they are, whether they are Christian, Hindu, Moslem etc.etc. They adhere strictly to the command “to be no part of the world”. They would die themselves rather than participate in wars. They are not anarchists. They obey the laws of the land in which they live – but their allegiance is to God only and if the laws of the land conflict with God’s, then God’s law takes precedence. Acts 5 v 29
Cupid, I am always myself – and I really don’t need someone else to tell me how to live. However, like LazyGun, I find it curious that you are reluctant to own your brand of religion. Despite your enthusiasm for someone else’s words, it seems you haven’t really taken the little homily on board because you still lack the courage to be yourself.
Yes, I believe the Quakers are quite peaceful.
/I believe we are all one in the body of Christ/
does anyone have any idea what that means?
Jom, I think this is what Cupid is talking about - but I might be wrong.

Galatians 3:28. //There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.//
Goodlife - “... There is in fact one “religion” that will not and does not participate in conflict, these ones will NOT fight another regardless of what faith they are, whether they are Christian, Hindu, Moslem etc... They would die themselves rather than participate in wars... their allegiance is to God only and if the laws of the land conflict with God’s, then God’s law takes precedence. Acts 5 v 29...”


Err...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
Cupid - “... I walked into a christmas carol service over 24 years ago and I loved it so much, I've been there ever since...”

I know these services can go on a bit but that must be some sort of world record ;-)
Cupid - “... I do wonder what you hope to achieve with your posts day in day out. Do you hope you will win new atheist converts?... anything that dosen't fit in with your way of thinking seems to put you on the defensive...”


I also wonder what you are attempting to achieve by proselytising on AB. I'm attempting to help people think for themselves by providing arguments against religion by addressing the logical inconsistencies and absurdities that are inherent within all faiths. I concede that I may not be successful but if nothing else, it helps to educate me, improves my communication skills and of course, helps to keep up my WPM. Mavis Beacon would be proud.

As for me being on the defensive, nothing could be further from the truth. I was simply pointing out the flimsiness and vapidity of your post. As LazyGun has rightly and eloquently pointed out, platitudinous nonsense such as your OP is bound to cause offence to those who haven't spent the last 24 years believing in ludicrous fairy tales about fantastical people who live in the sky.

To add insult to injury, you further discredit yourself and insult other's intelligence by glibly claiming that religion has (largely) nothing to do with wars and conflicts. I find this part of your argument utterly bewildering and it confirms to me that you are actively and wilfully rejecting reality.
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Ha ha, birdie. You all take offence when none was intended. I 'copied and
pasted' a text that I was given at church. I thought some people might like to
read it. I was under the impression that this was the 'religion and spirituality'
corner. Though not a lot of that goes on here. Being a christian dosen't
mean that I support wars and famine. It's little wonder that any people of
other faiths would want to come on here when there is such hostility. There
are many other forums on the internet where people can share their beliefs
without the opposition you get here. Please tell me why you comment at all when you have no interest in religion or spirituality?

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