If atheism is not a religion...

[sith123]

Why does it get involved in religious threads? i was prompted to ask this by something naomi said. If anyone wants the link i can give it.

[Davethedog]

"When people do not have a suitable answer to the questions put to them then they call others foolish, deluded etc. A very well-known tactics used usually by people with lesser knowledge"

Keyplus isn't that what you call us when you have no answers either that or you lie, make things up that have no basis.

If the cap fits and all that. Never has anyone be more astute in summing you up better than you

[jomifl]

Dave, 'there's none so blind.... ' :-)

[naomi24]

jom, //I naturally assumed that the condom reference related to ths catholic church//

I guessed as much, but thought I'd clarify that for Sith's benefit.

[chakka35]

Yes, come on, keyplus. What are these questions?

[keyplus90]

Seems to me that all of the class fellows were sitting in the different rooms today. I asked Jack a question in response to his question, someone called that foolish because he could not think of an answer, I mentioned about that referring back to the same person. All that person has to do now is read his own post once again. Seeeeemple

Sith, Good luck again if you could convince Naomi on something.

[jomifl]

Keyplus, I found your remark about worshipping the hand that writes in the sky very interesting and strangely prophetical in a retrospective way. Can you not see any ironic parallels here? There is a clue in the first sentence.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, a little too close to home, eh? ;o)

//I asked Jack a question in response to his question//

I presume you mean Jake. Instead of responding with questions, why don't you answer his - or couldn't you think of an answer? Simple indeed.

[sith123]

//It was not a criticism of islam so you don't have to defend islam in relation to condoms//

i dont know why, but that seemed so funny :)


//Sith, Good luck again if you could convince Naomi on something.//

no one can convince naomi keyplus, surely you know that ;)

[jomifl]

Naomi, keyplus can't answer Jake's question because he has 'lesser knowledge'

[naomi24]

Sith, if you stopped seeing humour where there is none, you might understand the real implications of Islam’s stance on the use of birth control. If a couple decide not to have children, it’s their business – no one else’s - and yet you accept that other men have a right to interfere in their lives by demanding otherwise. No, you don’t HAVE to defend it – and that’s just as well because any religion that requires people to have children they, for whatever reason, don’t want – and Islam is one of them - is indefensible.

//no one can convince naomi keyplus, surely you know that ;)//

Perhaps if one of you offered a sensible argument, I might be convinced – but you don’t – ever – so I’m not.

Jom, but Keyplus is the man who claims he always answers every question put to him. Strange, because he so often avoids them. I don’t quite know what to make of it. Come to think of it, there are still a few questions outstanding here:

http://www.theanswerb...uestion1128005-8.html

[beso]

sith //no one can convince naomi keyplus, surely you know that //

I am surprised the lame arguments provided by sith and keyplus even convince those as gullible as themselves let alone anyone with rational intelligence.

[keyplus90]

I think I have answered Jake’s question. He would be convinced if a giant hand would show up in the sky. And history tells us that people started worshipping “signs” of God whenever they happened. Jesus (pbuh) was sent by God as messenger and people started worshipping him. Quran also gives examples of these sorts apart from history books. However I have put my head on line by asking a responsive question to Jake. Why don’t one of you show me what I asked Jake and I would do what I offered Jake, give up belief in any sort of deity. But I am sure you people have no answer to that and therefore are using well used tactics again. And I did not expect much anyway.

Naomi, after 159 posts on that thread you still believe that I did not answer your question. What a co-incidence that Sith and I are two Muslims and people who challenge your narrow mind and we are the only ones who you always use this well known dialogue for, “question has not been answered”. Shall I repeat again that I did not answer the way you wanted it. Or shall I say again that you tell lie with so much consistency that “YOU HOPE” it would start sounding like truth. But don’t forget, we do have people here who are not your colleagues and would not agree blindly with whatever you say. So give up these tried and tested tactics and come up with something new. But I am sure that is difficult for you if not completely impossible.

[naomi24]

Oh dear Keyplus. Shooting the messenger again – and telling fibs again. How silly! When will you ever learn? Everything you write is there for all to see – and everything you don’t write is there for all to see. Must dash – I’m going away – but never fear, Keyplus ….. I’ll be back next week. ;o)

[birdie1971]

Keyplus - “... What a co-incidence that Sith and I are two Muslims and people who challenge your narrow mind...”

I've said it before many times Keyplus - you listen to the criticisms you receive from others and then simply accuse them of the very thing you are demonstrably guilty of. You are the most narrow minded individual I have ever come across. You are completely intransigent to any other way of thinking except that prescribed by Islam. You never, ever, see any wrong whatsoever in any Islamic teachings – despite the fact that some of them are quite unequivocally immoral, unjust and exploitative. Sith on the other hand, has tacitly acknowledged that certain Islamic teachings are less than savoury but he still stops short at any direct criticism of Islam.

I find it absolutely fascinating to watch the pair of you 'debate'. It's rather like watching an horrific car crash – you don't really want to look but you just can't help yourself. With every post you make, you make Islam look more and more distasteful.

Long may it continue.

[sith123]

// Or shall I say again that you tell lie with so much consistency that “YOU HOPE” it would start sounding like truth.//

keyplus, thats atheism ;)

Naomi, i have answered your question. I am not attempting to convert you as i personally,the way you act, dont think islam needs someone like you. What i am trying to do is share my views. I couldnt care less if you acepted islam or not. There are already enough people converting and i know all you talk about are high births and all that but the fact is people convert to islam. They cannot all be mad? or probably in your view they are. but thats some sad, twisted view.

[jomifl]

Sith , if you know that your choice of islam is right, why do you need the re-assurance that millions of ohers are converting to Islam. It is just as well for you that you aren't a lemming....

[doctordb]

Sith, you should rejoice in the fact that atheists involve themselves in religious threads. It is one of the great strengths of the western world that its citizens are free to think for themselves. Western muslims have benefited greatly from living in a secular/christian society where the rule of law allows all cultures to flourish. I would go as far as to say that it is only in the west that muslims can realise their full potential because of the freedoms they are afforded, freedoms that their counterparts in islamic states can only dream of.
So be happy to share your thoughts with atheists and theists alike and remember how lucky you are to be a western muslim in a community where threads like this one are allowed to take place.

[beso]

Bravo doctordb. Well said.

[keyplus90]

Doctordb - I agree with whatever you said but don't you think that its western countries that are not letting Muslim countries find their own way. Just look around and you would see that in the past and at present Western countries have always supported dictators because they acted as they wanted them to. Mainly by oppressing their own people.

[beso]

Islamic ideology encourages dictators because basically it is a fascist philosophy.