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What would make you lose your faith – or what caused you to lose it?
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Does anyone watch Four Thought TV? I watch it when I’m cooking dinner. It’s a five minute slot at the end of the 7pm Channel 4 news, described by the programme makers as a “series of highly personal short films, broadcast daily, reflecting on a broad range of religious and ethical issues, and aspects of our spiritual lives. These films challenge some traditional views, providing a platform for both scepticism and devout religious beliefs.”
This week’s topic is ‘Reasons for losing your faith.’ Last night a Science teacher, a former Muslim, said when he was at school, he could never accept that the non-Muslim children were going to hell, but the defining moment came for him when he ate bacon for the first time and realised that he was responsible for leading his own life.
Tonight we had a Roman Catholic who, during his childhood, had held great affection for a particular priest, and had held him in very high regard, only to discover years later that the priest had been a paedophile.
So, what would make you lose your faith – or what caused you to lose it?
This week’s topic is ‘Reasons for losing your faith.’ Last night a Science teacher, a former Muslim, said when he was at school, he could never accept that the non-Muslim children were going to hell, but the defining moment came for him when he ate bacon for the first time and realised that he was responsible for leading his own life.
Tonight we had a Roman Catholic who, during his childhood, had held great affection for a particular priest, and had held him in very high regard, only to discover years later that the priest had been a paedophile.
So, what would make you lose your faith – or what caused you to lose it?
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Keyplus, //Why not this person goes back and asks his parents that where would he end up now?//
Why would he? Independent adults don’t rely upon their parents. He was speaking from a childhood perspective – and now that he’s no longer a child, he’s intelligent enough to know his own mind. You simply can’t get your head around people who make the rational decision to abandon Islam, can you Keyplus?
//As for puberty again, that is the EARLIEST someone should consider marrying and not the LATEST as you are suggesting.//
I haven’t suggested that at all. You’re making it up again.
//why not start a different thread instead of talking about it on every single thread here and there//
There’s already a thread where this is being discussed – but you’ve declined to return to it.
http://www.theanswerb...uestion1120710-8.html
//you do not have a suitable answer to my questions.//
Which questions haven’t I answered?
//There is clearly a difference between marrying and having sex//
There is? Not in this instance. Your link, and your attitude towards it, says far more about your mentality than that of the poor little girls listed. The children on that appalling indictment of the evil immorality of sick minds are the victims of rape and the sole reason there aren’t many Muslim names there is because those men of Islam who harbour a perverted sexual penchant for young children ask naïve fathers like you to give their daughters to them in marriage - and you agree because Mohammed did it and the Koran condones it – and therefore, according to you, marriage makes it not only acceptable, but also respectable. Well, it’s neither. It’s depraved. The children that people like you marry off to grown men become the victims of the unimaginable pain of sexual abuse perpetrated by grown men upon a fragile and immature body – albeit by their so-called ‘husbands’. Only very sick minds see little girls as sexual objects – and only very sick men have sex with children. Sort your brain out, Keyplus, for goodness sake! You have nothing to be proud of.
DT, // if he continues the personal insults//
He’s posted insults regularly since he came here four years ago – I’m used to it. He rarely posts on a thread here without resorting to his silly nonsense. Such tactics are often the last resort of the scoundrel – but in Keyplus’ case, they are the first.
Why would he? Independent adults don’t rely upon their parents. He was speaking from a childhood perspective – and now that he’s no longer a child, he’s intelligent enough to know his own mind. You simply can’t get your head around people who make the rational decision to abandon Islam, can you Keyplus?
//As for puberty again, that is the EARLIEST someone should consider marrying and not the LATEST as you are suggesting.//
I haven’t suggested that at all. You’re making it up again.
//why not start a different thread instead of talking about it on every single thread here and there//
There’s already a thread where this is being discussed – but you’ve declined to return to it.
http://www.theanswerb...uestion1120710-8.html
//you do not have a suitable answer to my questions.//
Which questions haven’t I answered?
//There is clearly a difference between marrying and having sex//
There is? Not in this instance. Your link, and your attitude towards it, says far more about your mentality than that of the poor little girls listed. The children on that appalling indictment of the evil immorality of sick minds are the victims of rape and the sole reason there aren’t many Muslim names there is because those men of Islam who harbour a perverted sexual penchant for young children ask naïve fathers like you to give their daughters to them in marriage - and you agree because Mohammed did it and the Koran condones it – and therefore, according to you, marriage makes it not only acceptable, but also respectable. Well, it’s neither. It’s depraved. The children that people like you marry off to grown men become the victims of the unimaginable pain of sexual abuse perpetrated by grown men upon a fragile and immature body – albeit by their so-called ‘husbands’. Only very sick minds see little girls as sexual objects – and only very sick men have sex with children. Sort your brain out, Keyplus, for goodness sake! You have nothing to be proud of.
DT, // if he continues the personal insults//
He’s posted insults regularly since he came here four years ago – I’m used to it. He rarely posts on a thread here without resorting to his silly nonsense. Such tactics are often the last resort of the scoundrel – but in Keyplus’ case, they are the first.
Keyplus - “... There is clearly a difference between marrying and having sex but I am sure you are not bothered about that...”
You're right - and we are all bothered by it. There is a difference between marrying and having sex. The difference is that neither of them has anything to do with the other. One is a legally binding contract between two adults and the other is sexual intercourse.
Just because two people happen to be married to one another doesn't automatically make the act of sexual intercourse consensual or legal. There is such a thing as rape within marriage Keyplus but you appear to be blissfully unaware or possibly wilfully ignorant of this very simple fact.
You say that, “... As for puberty again, that is the EARLIEST someone should consider marrying...”. Really? Well that's nice to know! However, since puberty (according to Wikipedia*) can begin in girls at the age of 10 years old (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty) are you suggesting that once a girl has hit puberty she is instantaneously endowed with the mental wherewithal to undertake marriage and a physical sexual relationship?
Of course that IS what you are suggesting. You have to take that position because Mohammed famously married Aisha when she was just six years old but refrained from having penetrative sex with her until she was the 'ripe old age' of nine. The actions of your prophet precluded you from having an objective opinion of this matter and actually encourage you to act as an apologist for paedophilia.
* I have it on good authority (my wife) that puberty can start at the age of eight.
You're right - and we are all bothered by it. There is a difference between marrying and having sex. The difference is that neither of them has anything to do with the other. One is a legally binding contract between two adults and the other is sexual intercourse.
Just because two people happen to be married to one another doesn't automatically make the act of sexual intercourse consensual or legal. There is such a thing as rape within marriage Keyplus but you appear to be blissfully unaware or possibly wilfully ignorant of this very simple fact.
You say that, “... As for puberty again, that is the EARLIEST someone should consider marrying...”. Really? Well that's nice to know! However, since puberty (according to Wikipedia*) can begin in girls at the age of 10 years old (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty) are you suggesting that once a girl has hit puberty she is instantaneously endowed with the mental wherewithal to undertake marriage and a physical sexual relationship?
Of course that IS what you are suggesting. You have to take that position because Mohammed famously married Aisha when she was just six years old but refrained from having penetrative sex with her until she was the 'ripe old age' of nine. The actions of your prophet precluded you from having an objective opinion of this matter and actually encourage you to act as an apologist for paedophilia.
* I have it on good authority (my wife) that puberty can start at the age of eight.
Keyplus -
As for your link to the youngest birth mothers and your quote, “... Let me know how many of them are Muslims...”, are you really that stupid? First, all of these girls by any rational and moral measure, have been raped. Second, there is no column marked 'religion' so we cannot say what the individuals involved believed. And third, there are almost no cases (according to this list) of very young girls living in largely Islamic countries giving birth.
Given that we know that many Islamic countries don't have an 'age of consent' to speak of and simply proclaim that a girl is fair game the moment she is married (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Age_of_Con
sent.png),
why do you think that your link doesn't list countries such as Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, etc?
Why do you think that is Keyplus? Have a really good hard think about it.
As for your link to the youngest birth mothers and your quote, “... Let me know how many of them are Muslims...”, are you really that stupid? First, all of these girls by any rational and moral measure, have been raped. Second, there is no column marked 'religion' so we cannot say what the individuals involved believed. And third, there are almost no cases (according to this list) of very young girls living in largely Islamic countries giving birth.
Given that we know that many Islamic countries don't have an 'age of consent' to speak of and simply proclaim that a girl is fair game the moment she is married (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Age_of_Con
sent.png),
why do you think that your link doesn't list countries such as Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, etc?
Why do you think that is Keyplus? Have a really good hard think about it.
Sorry – link failure. Here they are again...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty
http://en.wikipedia.o...le:Age_of_Consent.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty
http://en.wikipedia.o...le:Age_of_Consent.png
I'm obviously the one who is weak on logic. Let's think about this. In Peru, 1957, Hilda Trujillo aged 9 years 7 months was raped by her cousin. Therefore it is correct for fifty-three year old men (especially, but not necessarily, those who have revelations from God) to have sex with nine year old girls. Yup, think I've got my head round that one. As JC (Julius not the other one) would have said: sequitur. For those who lack a moral compass that is Latin for "it follows".
VE, Keyplus has posted a link to a list of young rape victims whom he seems to think were promiscuous. Had they been given in marriage by their stupid fathers to their perverted attackers, in his opinion, that would have made the appalling crimes acceptable and the girls respectable. Words - in any language - fail me.
Ummmm, Keyplus posted that link to illustrate the promiscuity of young girls outside Islam. He said: //There is clearly a difference between marrying and having sex//
So as long as any abuse is perpetrated within the respectable bounds of marriage, he’s happy. If it isn’t, the girl is promiscuous and the man is, of course, blameless. So what’s the answer? Marry your daughters off at a young age to the perverted men who want to have sex with children. That prevents ‘promiscuity’, and hence you’ll never find a list of Islamic victims of child rape because they are all married – and that makes depravity respectable. That is one warped mind!
So as long as any abuse is perpetrated within the respectable bounds of marriage, he’s happy. If it isn’t, the girl is promiscuous and the man is, of course, blameless. So what’s the answer? Marry your daughters off at a young age to the perverted men who want to have sex with children. That prevents ‘promiscuity’, and hence you’ll never find a list of Islamic victims of child rape because they are all married – and that makes depravity respectable. That is one warped mind!
Keyplus is hiding behind his Thoub and Shumagg after his so meaningful, worldly considerations on this subject.
I guess that it really shows the mind that he has, the sick warped and unbalanced views. Who in their right mind wants to marry a 13 year old, except perhaps a 15 year old......thank goodness we have some sense of decency in our laws in the West.
I guess that it really shows the mind that he has, the sick warped and unbalanced views. Who in their right mind wants to marry a 13 year old, except perhaps a 15 year old......thank goodness we have some sense of decency in our laws in the West.
Yes, Naomi,it's hard to credit, isn't it? The misogyny we all know about (he's never attempted to disguise it), but the total inability to feel empathy for child victims of rape puts him in the category of sociopath. Did you ever read Capote's "In Cold Blood"?
Meanwhile I've ordered two books by Karen Armstrong, one on Islam and one a life of Mohammed. I'm interested to find out what an Islamic apologist with an IQ measured in three digits has to say on the prophet's sexual predilections.
Meanwhile I've ordered two books by Karen Armstrong, one on Islam and one a life of Mohammed. I'm interested to find out what an Islamic apologist with an IQ measured in three digits has to say on the prophet's sexual predilections.
VE, This makes we want to weep. I cannot find the words to describe my thoughts.
//Did you ever read Capote's "In Cold Blood"?//
No, but if you’re recommending it, I will.
I’m reading Karen Armstrong’s book on the life of Mohammed now. I don’t know if you’ve read any of her books, but in general they are not critiques. She tends to write from the perspective of the people she’s writing about, so you’ll probably find the book written from rather an apologist viewpoint in the main. (Actually, some of it makes me quite sick!).
Boxy, we’re not talking about medieval times or Mohammed’s times. This is happening right now – and it’s happening in this country because men like Keyplus see nothing wrong in it. There is no excuse.
//Did you ever read Capote's "In Cold Blood"?//
No, but if you’re recommending it, I will.
I’m reading Karen Armstrong’s book on the life of Mohammed now. I don’t know if you’ve read any of her books, but in general they are not critiques. She tends to write from the perspective of the people she’s writing about, so you’ll probably find the book written from rather an apologist viewpoint in the main. (Actually, some of it makes me quite sick!).
Boxy, we’re not talking about medieval times or Mohammed’s times. This is happening right now – and it’s happening in this country because men like Keyplus see nothing wrong in it. There is no excuse.
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