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have you ever had an experience
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that cant be presently explained?
Or an experience that has made you question what you believe about life?
Or an experience that has made you question what you believe about life?
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Goodlife, there is no need to complicate the issue by bringing god ito it. The existing historical 'baggage' makes it difficult enough as it is. I think we are trying to establish whether or not some people's memories of apparently inexplicable events can be explained in terms of the physical world that we are familiar with or whether here is in fact something else going on that we don't have much if any understanding of.
Seeing as goodlife has brought religion into it, I was wondering how keyplus' experience sits with his religious views? Goodlife (from a biblical perspective) would view this type of experience as 'demonic', so how would a muslim explain it?
BTW keyplus, i find your little tirade against naomi a bit perturbing. She only said that we dont have all the evidence and was trying to ascertain the facts. Its a fascinating story and I fail to see why we cant ask questions about it.
BTW keyplus, i find your little tirade against naomi a bit perturbing. She only said that we dont have all the evidence and was trying to ascertain the facts. Its a fascinating story and I fail to see why we cant ask questions about it.
Naomi – First of all let me tell you that I don’t mind answering any questions asked in a sensible way by anyone. However if someone is so much sure that I had a dream then there is no point me explaining the unexplainable. As that is the mean issue with the main question here and kind of subject we are talking about that there are certain unexplainable things in this world. So here are your answers,
They did travel a distance. He had to go with his mother (my sister) to another city away from Lahore (where I was) about 80 miles. She wanted to visit a relative (from her in laws) who was ill. They were supposed to get back in the afternoon and then he (only him) was supposed to come over around say 8ish. One more thing that they were not driving and were on a public transport (coach). And in early eighties 80 miles 0n a public transport in Pakistan means around 3 to 4 hours. As according to him (what he said next morning) they did not get back THEIR home until about 11PM. Our hostel had a community cooking area where student could cook if they wanted to. But in boys hostel majority of the people never cooked on regular basis as we had a restaurant for students run by the Uni just around the corner. I cooked just one dish (lamb curry) and he was supposed to come over just for the sake of having a laugh and some gossips (food was just an excuse). My other friend stayed with us for about 20 minutes and my nephew (whatever it was) about an hour (I guess). But one thing I am 100% sure that it was not a dream.
Finally as GOODLIFE said about Bible, I can talk about Quran talking about Jin (A being we can’t see). But it has nothing to do what is believed as Ghost in English language that I believe is usually referred to someone who died and became ghost. There is a complete chapter about Jin in Quran. And there are so many Ahadiths (Hadiths) talking about JIN and how they sometime tease human.
They did travel a distance. He had to go with his mother (my sister) to another city away from Lahore (where I was) about 80 miles. She wanted to visit a relative (from her in laws) who was ill. They were supposed to get back in the afternoon and then he (only him) was supposed to come over around say 8ish. One more thing that they were not driving and were on a public transport (coach). And in early eighties 80 miles 0n a public transport in Pakistan means around 3 to 4 hours. As according to him (what he said next morning) they did not get back THEIR home until about 11PM. Our hostel had a community cooking area where student could cook if they wanted to. But in boys hostel majority of the people never cooked on regular basis as we had a restaurant for students run by the Uni just around the corner. I cooked just one dish (lamb curry) and he was supposed to come over just for the sake of having a laugh and some gossips (food was just an excuse). My other friend stayed with us for about 20 minutes and my nephew (whatever it was) about an hour (I guess). But one thing I am 100% sure that it was not a dream.
Finally as GOODLIFE said about Bible, I can talk about Quran talking about Jin (A being we can’t see). But it has nothing to do what is believed as Ghost in English language that I believe is usually referred to someone who died and became ghost. There is a complete chapter about Jin in Quran. And there are so many Ahadiths (Hadiths) talking about JIN and how they sometime tease human.
Mr Frog does the lottery every Saturday, always using the same numbers. One time we were in the newsagents filling out his lottery slip, and there was another slip on the table that had numbers already marked on. He jokingly said that perhaps he ought to use those numbers as well in case they had been left by his guardian angel. He actually took the slip up to the till with him, but at the last minute just bought his usual lines of numbers, and put the other slip in his pocket and forgot about it.
Yes, you've guessed it, when he checked his numbers, his lines hadn't come up, but the one he'd found and not used was spot on - even the bonus ball number. A really bizarre coincidence, and one that left us feeling more than a little pee'd off!
Yes, you've guessed it, when he checked his numbers, his lines hadn't come up, but the one he'd found and not used was spot on - even the bonus ball number. A really bizarre coincidence, and one that left us feeling more than a little pee'd off!
LOL, suechu, it was a tad annoying.
But the weirdest experience I've ever had happened when my mother died. Before the funeral, my sister and I went to the undertakers for one final goodbye to Mum. The undertaker took us into their chapel of rest where she was laid out, surrounded by flowers. My sister left after a few moments and I stayed behind. I said a little prayer, and then touched her forehead and said goodbye. The moment I touched her, all the lights in the room went out apart from the one that was directly shining on her face. It didn't feel at all scary or unnatural, but right somehow, as though she was acknowledging what I'd done.
I left and mentioned to the undertaker about the lights, and he was horrified, and kept on apologising and saying how dreadful it must have been for me. Funnily enough, until he said that, it hadn't occurred to me that I should have been unnerved by it - it just seemed so right at the time. People I've told this story to invariably say how frighteneing it must have been, but it truly wasn't. Just Mum saying goodbye.
But the weirdest experience I've ever had happened when my mother died. Before the funeral, my sister and I went to the undertakers for one final goodbye to Mum. The undertaker took us into their chapel of rest where she was laid out, surrounded by flowers. My sister left after a few moments and I stayed behind. I said a little prayer, and then touched her forehead and said goodbye. The moment I touched her, all the lights in the room went out apart from the one that was directly shining on her face. It didn't feel at all scary or unnatural, but right somehow, as though she was acknowledging what I'd done.
I left and mentioned to the undertaker about the lights, and he was horrified, and kept on apologising and saying how dreadful it must have been for me. Funnily enough, until he said that, it hadn't occurred to me that I should have been unnerved by it - it just seemed so right at the time. People I've told this story to invariably say how frighteneing it must have been, but it truly wasn't. Just Mum saying goodbye.
Keyplus, //First of all let me tell you that I don’t mind answering any questions asked in a sensible way by anyone.//
Mine were sensible questions. So you mean your sister didn’t get to her relatives either, but was stuck on the bus with your nephew until they reached home?
//However if someone is so much sure that I had a dream then there is no point me explaining the unexplainable.//
There’s every point – and the more details you give the better – unless of course you WANT to believe this is all ‘supernatural’. You see, you and I begin from different default positions. You automatically assume that things you can’t explain must emanate from supernatural sources, whereas I don’t believe that anything is supernatural, and so I look for a rational answer because I’m convinced there has to be one. Regardless of the fact that some of my most respected friends on here have, at times, thought I was absolutely potty – and I knew they would - I’ve given details of some of my odd experiences and have been offered possible explanations, but none have been acceptable. However, that doesn’t deter me from continuing to seek explanations. I can’t just accept that these things happen – I want to know why they happen and what causes them to happen. If someone can come up with a rational solution, the experience is no longer a mystery, so that’s good, isn’t it?
Mine were sensible questions. So you mean your sister didn’t get to her relatives either, but was stuck on the bus with your nephew until they reached home?
//However if someone is so much sure that I had a dream then there is no point me explaining the unexplainable.//
There’s every point – and the more details you give the better – unless of course you WANT to believe this is all ‘supernatural’. You see, you and I begin from different default positions. You automatically assume that things you can’t explain must emanate from supernatural sources, whereas I don’t believe that anything is supernatural, and so I look for a rational answer because I’m convinced there has to be one. Regardless of the fact that some of my most respected friends on here have, at times, thought I was absolutely potty – and I knew they would - I’ve given details of some of my odd experiences and have been offered possible explanations, but none have been acceptable. However, that doesn’t deter me from continuing to seek explanations. I can’t just accept that these things happen – I want to know why they happen and what causes them to happen. If someone can come up with a rational solution, the experience is no longer a mystery, so that’s good, isn’t it?
Suechu – I have had some experiences in my life but nothing like the one I mentioned.
Naomi – No, my sister and my nephew were on their way back. People there get up very early in the morning on daily basis. Especially if they are planning to go out of city then they usually leave early morning around say 7 or 8 and that is what they did. Their plan must have been to reach there around midday, spend few couple of hrs and then get back home in the late afternoon. I know what you are saying about rational explanation and I would appreciate any rational explanation. But someone after only reading few line says that it had to be a dream then what rationality is there? Yes I do believe in supernatural sources but I do not believe in them blindly. But what choice do you have if there is no rational explanation? And life is full of things where science does not have answers, at least not yet.
Nailit – As I said that I don’t know. All I know that my nephew was not there. Yes, it might be a mischievous Jin (spirit).
Naomi – No, my sister and my nephew were on their way back. People there get up very early in the morning on daily basis. Especially if they are planning to go out of city then they usually leave early morning around say 7 or 8 and that is what they did. Their plan must have been to reach there around midday, spend few couple of hrs and then get back home in the late afternoon. I know what you are saying about rational explanation and I would appreciate any rational explanation. But someone after only reading few line says that it had to be a dream then what rationality is there? Yes I do believe in supernatural sources but I do not believe in them blindly. But what choice do you have if there is no rational explanation? And life is full of things where science does not have answers, at least not yet.
Nailit – As I said that I don’t know. All I know that my nephew was not there. Yes, it might be a mischievous Jin (spirit).
