Why Is The Civil Service Incapable Of Running It?

[youngmafbog]

Now it's the new Border Force system crashing.  What happened to BCP abd DR then?  What an absolute joke.

Time the HO was split up, it's too much for one person, Matthew Rycroft is a nice enough chap but fingers in too many pies to have a good handle on everything.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13394455/Chaos-Britains-airports-passport-e-gates-crashed-following-nationwide-collapse-children-waiting-without-food-water-hours-bathroom-taps-running-water.html

[ToraToraTora]

The border Farce? You mean P&O!

The Civil service is still full of 5C luvvies who are still bawling their mince pies out because we left the EUSSR. They only carry out things they agree with. Out of control, we need a Tebbit type character to kick their Aprils into shape.

[douglas9401]

Is a cycling proficiency trainer really the answer?

[THECORBYLOON]

What or who are BCP and DR?

[ToraToraTora]

on yer bike dougy!

[davebro3]

See this is one reason I stopped using commercial flights years ago....

To stressful.

[youngmafbog]

Business Continuity Plan and Disater Recovery.

If you dont understand basic IT perhaps this is not the thread to comment on?

[Peter Pedant]

a god another Deep thought chain from one of the usual suspects.

to cobyloon - no idea but you may be sure it is not  impt

[youngmafbog]

PP, same applies to you.  If you dont understand then kepp out of it and stop trying to wreck threads.

[andy-hughes]

The problem with the Civil Service is the problem with every government run system in the country - the absence of accountability.

People are allowed to dream up nonsense, implement it, watch it crash and burn, shrug shoulders, and move on.

No-one is ever called to account for their stupidity, or dismissed because of it, so the culture of doing as they please continues.

And will do until someone gets a grip of things, and makes sure that things are thought through properly, and responsibility is taken for failures, with attendent dismissals, instead of everyone carrying on as if it doesn't matter.

It does, and it's time this nonsense stopped.

[gulliver1]

10.33 TCL       "What or who are  BCP and DR"

BCP...Bent Conservative Party........DR.... Deluded Right.    OK.

[Old_Geezer]

Any electronic equipment can have issues. I think they have bigger problems that a short outage.

[youngmafbog]

Except it wasnt a short outage.

All major systems like this, especially costing that much money should be designed to fail over and ultimatley go to the Disaster Recovery site.  Failover shouldnt be noticed DR (due to distances) does have some latency but max 20 mins.

The BCP is there to enable the business to deal with outages and indeed should have had something in place for full manual (which clearly they didnt)

If you worked at a Bank and you had desinged this your feet wouldnt touch believe me.  Plus if you had flakey DR/BCP then the FCA/PRA/FED etc would look hard at your licence.

[ToraToraTora]

...in other words typical public sector IT. They pay peanuts get monkeys, then they have to pay external firms to sort out the mess for a Gazillion quid. It would have been cheaper to hire decent IT staff in the first place.

[youngmafbog]

Even when they do TTT they are ignored from above.

And the externals they get in are rubbish too, often companies that many decent corporations wouldnt let in the door.

Andy does have it totally right.

[youngmafbog]

And the Home Office do not pay their IT staff peanuts.  Add up the salary, weighting, super pension and its a lot. 

But many are basically lazy or promoted beyond their competance.

[ToraToraTora]

Fair enough you seem to have more experience of public sector.

I just remember things like the Wessex regional health fiasco etc

[Gromit]

I am reminded of the Track and Trace App during the Corona Virus pandemic.

The Government gave the contract for developing the app to some of their friends rather than someone competent. Instead of a "world beating app", we got a crock of shìt. Software that never really worked, was way too late and very expensive. Ministers and their dodgy mates never accepted responsibility and the tax payer over paid for systems that under delivered.

Since 2010 we have had a succession of particularly talentless governments filled with Ministers of very low calibre.

[ToraToraTora]

Yep sadly that's about right gromit. Gawd what's hapenning?  I've agreed with gromit twice in the last few days.

[Prudie]

BCP is not an IT thing - Business Continuity Plan - it's a term to describe a plan put in place usually within government run departments/agencies or civilain companies that support them. There is absolutely no reason why those who haven't worked in that sector should understand the acronym or not be invited to comment on this topic.

[youngmafbog]

Er yes it is - I have written them

It is written in conjunctionwith the Failover/DR process and involves remote site working (for which IT must be there).

And it is not just for public sector I can assure you, I wrote one to be submitted to the FCA/PRA.