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What Do The Climate Change Deniers Want?
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Do they want to take a punt on being right and tough luck for our grandkids?
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New judge says so much bur so little. It's funny to see all that effort but so sad. If everyone was so defeatist nothing would change. Why vote when my vote makes no difference out of many thousand. Why out my litter in a bin when so many don't and flytippers get away with it. Why stop talking in the classroom when everyone else is. Why pay honestly at self service when loads get away with shoplifting or scanning steak as onions. Why bother isolating if I have covid as others arnt.
Britain on its own can't make much difference but if everyone says that there's no hope. If even 80% commit to a 20% cut that's a big change a worthwhile one. Let's deal with China and India in some other way. No room for complacency.
Britain on its own can't make much difference but if everyone says that there's no hope. If even 80% commit to a 20% cut that's a big change a worthwhile one. Let's deal with China and India in some other way. No room for complacency.
I don't believe in man-made climate change. It's natural. People don't want to think that way because of the way the planet works. It takes millions of years. People such as bobinsomewherecalledwales, swallows everything, hook, line and sinker and is probably a secret admirer of Corporal Frazer.
As Naomi said, who is going to put the argument against NJs comments @ 21.41?
As Naomi said, who is going to put the argument against NJs comments @ 21.41?
//What a ridiculous suggestion that if we try to harvest some of the absolutely immense energy in tides, it will slow the spin of the earth.//
It is not ridiculous, it's a scientific fact. Some of the angular momentum in the Earth's rotation is lost every day as the tides rise and fall. You can see this principle clearly when an ice skater performs a spin and moves her arms in and out. Move out she spins slower, move them in she spins faster. The bulges which are the high tides are equivalent to the skater's arms. It is transferred to the moon (because total angular momentum in a system cannot be gained or lost) which responds by moving away from the Earth. I learnt about this when I was about twelve years old. It isn't a great influence - it's about a second in 50,000 years. But over aeons it makes a difference and it is estimated that when the Earth and moon were first formed the day was about 5 hour long. But I didn't say it was significant. I was simply commenting that you get nothing for free.:
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A tidal barrage forms artificially high water levels and so adds to this loss of angular momentum. But again, I never said it was significant. But instead of simply trashing a suggestion out of hand it would be better to do some research first.
//So what was NJs question?//
The "bloke in the pub's" question is quite simple: accepting that climate change is real and man made for the sake of this argument, tell me what effect all the radical and expensive measures our current Prime Minister is currently advocating for the UK will have on the global climate. If the issue is so clear cut as suggested, it can't be that hard.
It is not ridiculous, it's a scientific fact. Some of the angular momentum in the Earth's rotation is lost every day as the tides rise and fall. You can see this principle clearly when an ice skater performs a spin and moves her arms in and out. Move out she spins slower, move them in she spins faster. The bulges which are the high tides are equivalent to the skater's arms. It is transferred to the moon (because total angular momentum in a system cannot be gained or lost) which responds by moving away from the Earth. I learnt about this when I was about twelve years old. It isn't a great influence - it's about a second in 50,000 years. But over aeons it makes a difference and it is estimated that when the Earth and moon were first formed the day was about 5 hour long. But I didn't say it was significant. I was simply commenting that you get nothing for free.:
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A tidal barrage forms artificially high water levels and so adds to this loss of angular momentum. But again, I never said it was significant. But instead of simply trashing a suggestion out of hand it would be better to do some research first.
//So what was NJs question?//
The "bloke in the pub's" question is quite simple: accepting that climate change is real and man made for the sake of this argument, tell me what effect all the radical and expensive measures our current Prime Minister is currently advocating for the UK will have on the global climate. If the issue is so clear cut as suggested, it can't be that hard.
I actually don't know of anyone who denies the climate has changed. It is fact that the climate has always had changes, some major and some minor.
What I would like to see is a refocus on improving our environment by
1) Channelling all the time and energy politicians and activists clearly have away from unrealistic and meaningless targets, and into cleaning up litter, concentrating on pollution, beach management, ocean polllution, improving our national parks and wildlife reserves, sensible recycling.
2) Harsher penalties for anyone who disrupts travel routes- we need a strong economy to invest in our futures.
3) Stop the university lecturers scaring our younger generations by making false predictions. Prince Charles has been telling us the world has got a year before catastrophy and disaster for the last forty years. Innocent kids like Greta buy into this claptrap.
4) Put a large proportion of the cash currently being spent on green vanity projects into paying off our national debt.
5) Do no further business with China until they get their act together.
What I would like to see is a refocus on improving our environment by
1) Channelling all the time and energy politicians and activists clearly have away from unrealistic and meaningless targets, and into cleaning up litter, concentrating on pollution, beach management, ocean polllution, improving our national parks and wildlife reserves, sensible recycling.
2) Harsher penalties for anyone who disrupts travel routes- we need a strong economy to invest in our futures.
3) Stop the university lecturers scaring our younger generations by making false predictions. Prince Charles has been telling us the world has got a year before catastrophy and disaster for the last forty years. Innocent kids like Greta buy into this claptrap.
4) Put a large proportion of the cash currently being spent on green vanity projects into paying off our national debt.
5) Do no further business with China until they get their act together.
//If you accept it isn't significant, then why raise it to justify your resistance?//
I wasn't doing it to justify my resistance. I was responding to this:
//everything in science has a consequence,no freebies,...//
As it happens I believe tidal barrages are an ideal way to create power - far better than inconsistent wind turbines or solar farms. The trouble is they are hugely expensive and lead to environmental problems (which will bring another group of protesters out of the woodwork). This has been evident from the world's only large scale barrage across the Rance estuary in France, which was built in 1966.
I wasn't doing it to justify my resistance. I was responding to this:
//everything in science has a consequence,no freebies,...//
As it happens I believe tidal barrages are an ideal way to create power - far better than inconsistent wind turbines or solar farms. The trouble is they are hugely expensive and lead to environmental problems (which will bring another group of protesters out of the woodwork). This has been evident from the world's only large scale barrage across the Rance estuary in France, which was built in 1966.
////Just tell me how anything done in the UK will have the slightest impact on the climate. It can't be that difficult. ////
Reducing emissions will have a massive impact on air quality, with health benefits that are greater than the predicted costs of reducing greenhouse gases (source: niehs.nih.gov). But NJ's question misses the point. We should reduce emissions because it's the right thing to do, just like it was right to abolish slavery, stop killing whales, ban CFCs, and prevent acid rain. This is not just the UK's problem, it is the world's problem, and we have to work together to solve this.
Yes, it will cost billions in the short term, but the longer we wait, the more expensive it will become. We are quite happy to spend £14 billion per year on takeaway coffee, so it's not as if we can't afford it.
Reducing emissions will have a massive impact on air quality, with health benefits that are greater than the predicted costs of reducing greenhouse gases (source: niehs.nih.gov). But NJ's question misses the point. We should reduce emissions because it's the right thing to do, just like it was right to abolish slavery, stop killing whales, ban CFCs, and prevent acid rain. This is not just the UK's problem, it is the world's problem, and we have to work together to solve this.
Yes, it will cost billions in the short term, but the longer we wait, the more expensive it will become. We are quite happy to spend £14 billion per year on takeaway coffee, so it's not as if we can't afford it.
I don’t think climate change deniers are interested in telling China and Russia to “do their bit”
They don’t think there’s an issue or at least not one that can be done anything about.
The attitude of such as NJ reminds me of a parachutist who’s convinced his release cord won’t work and refuses to try it as he hurtles down
They don’t think there’s an issue or at least not one that can be done anything about.
The attitude of such as NJ reminds me of a parachutist who’s convinced his release cord won’t work and refuses to try it as he hurtles down
//Funny how people are happy to believe the science when it comes to the age of the earth, but not when it comes to climate change.//
How many are actually disputing climate change? The climate has changed ever since the earth began, no disputing that.
If you are referring to "The science" of man made climate change that is very disputable. It is done by predictive modelling the algorithms of which have been shown to be inaccurate. In addition on the worst case scenarios are ever taken (just like with Covid) to scare people.
//Do they want to take a punt on being right and tough luck for our grandkids?//
Ah, another scare tactic.
How many are actually disputing climate change? The climate has changed ever since the earth began, no disputing that.
If you are referring to "The science" of man made climate change that is very disputable. It is done by predictive modelling the algorithms of which have been shown to be inaccurate. In addition on the worst case scenarios are ever taken (just like with Covid) to scare people.
//Do they want to take a punt on being right and tough luck for our grandkids?//
Ah, another scare tactic.
We are definitely slap bang in the middle of climate change. Hasn't anyone noticed how mild it is for the time of year ? We are still in double figures in my neck of the woods and I still wake up at night feeling hot, like I did in the summer months ! I'm still wearing a lightweight coat when I go out, not my winter coat and yesterday in the sun, I actually took it off ! We have had one or two cold days, but that's it. Flowers are still blooming everywhere and my hanging basket is still stunning to look at ! Just heard on the radio news that it's 13 degrees today, surely in November it should be more like 7 degrees, or less ? Of course mild weather is far better than freezing cold and icy conditions, BUT is is better if it means the planet is warming up too fast and too dangerously ? Obviously, I am no expert, but that is my take on it.
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