£500,000' for Chandlers hostage story

[berniecuddles]

Well Docspock you were spot on mate these pair of muppets are getting a nice pay day £500,000 for the Chandlers hostage story!
All for being stupid going near the area where the somalian pirates were,beggars belief!

[DTCwordfan]

I go back to the point I made earlier, if they were advised that it was highly risky, then they should not benefit.

Going up Everest and crossing the Atlantic does carry risks but not Bermudan/Cabo Verde pirates or Yeti pirates 2/3rd the way up the Himalayas - not that they may not exist - the one area in the Atlantic basin not to sail would be in the shallow waters off Nigeria and here they are getting into deeper waters gradually...........

[Zeuhl]

<<if they were advised that it was highly risky, then they should not benefit.>>

It doesn't make any difference DT - it's a commercial decision not one of righteousness.
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[anotheoldgit]

DTcrosswordfan

Some people benefit financially everyday for taking risks, ask the stockbrokers..

[DTCwordfan]

And some people are decent and would consider reimbursement of part of their gains after making a major stuff up - the RNLI does get a lot of funds from folk whom they have saved in the past

.....dont think you of all folk would put bankers or stockbrokers in that category

[Zeuhl]

To be precise, well over 95% of the RNLI's funds come from people they have not helped at all.
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[DTCwordfan]

zeuhl - could you give me the source of your data on the rnli - donations include wills and legacies but I dont think there is a break out on 'rescued' donations....my bro in law hosts a rnli station here in the sw on his land and his contacts who said that those who had been rescued are usually pretty generous after their incident....

[steg]

i'm really looking forwards to reading their story, hopefully followed by the movie.

I bet if they were offered 500,000 to go deliberately get captured and held for a year by pirates before hand, they would of laughed and said %&*£ off

[Zeuhl]

Here's a link DT

As you may see they raise £140 million a year plus £19 mill from their trading company and £6 mill from investments.

Of the £140 million a large proportion is from legacies. Sadly this is often in very large amounts and designated for new boats in locations they don't need.

I'm not sure how many donors make up the rest but Active Donors will be in the millions so I would judge many times the number of people they rescue.

http://www.charity-co...03&SubsidiaryNumber=0

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[Zeuhl]

Sorry DT meant to add ...

i'm sure your bil is correct - my point is simply that RNLI is a massive charity Brand and very active fundraiser and generousity from the grateful rescued will be out weighed by general donations and all the legacies.
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[steg]

a year knowing that at any time, you could be murdered, raped, tortured etc, split up from partner and not knowing if your partner has suffered fore mentioned. Small price?...... i don't think so

[DTCwordfan]

Thanks - Yachting Word's blog has had some debate on RNLi funding versus other more local rescue organisations...

There is no breakout but there are about 7500 folk saved each year, not withstanding beach rescues as lifeguards on many beaches come under their auspices. Say if you assume an average of 200 GBP per person thats still 1,5 million - not a huge percentage of their 140 mln but not to be seized at.

I am wondering if they will take on the larger rescue ships (old oil supply ships) which are due to be axed as part of the Savings.....the Anglian down here is due to go and has been out pretty frequently recently down here what with a Faeroese factory ship, the Polish training ship and others being in trouble in these autumn gales that have buffeted us in November.

[Dris]

Cant believe anyone would debate the 'funding' of the RNLI. I had an interest in the past which allowed me to have more knowledge than I would have before so I continue to support them although i have never been rescued myself.Magnificent charity !
The Chandlers I think are fools -if someone told me to put my hand in a fire to test if I got burnt I wouldnt.Waste of resources.

[Zeuhl]

Cheers DT

I don't know much about rnli but of course they have the same double edged sword of any large charity: fantastic expertise and capabilities BUT Big and Institutionalised with a higher proportion of 'professional charity workers' at HQ rather than the 'committed to the cause' types.

And they do have that problem of needing money for running costs when they have millions tied up for buying boats they don't need.

I suppose in Boating circles the fundamental debate about whether rescue at sea should be charity or arm of the services is an old chestnut.
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[Zeuhl]

Dris


<<Cant believe anyone would debate the 'funding' of the RNLI>>

What do you mean? What is your point?
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[jno]

Dris, if you put your hand in the fire you'll always get burnt. If you sail in dodgy waters you won't always get kidnapped, just as if you climb Everest you won't always die (though many do). people take risks, and that's okay by me. As aog has pointed out, many in business take big risks to earn big rewards; on that basis, the Chapmans' rewards should be pretty big, even if they didn't set out with money in mind.

[steg]

the chandlers were unlucky to be captured, lucky to get away with there lives. Saying they are fools is like saying any one that goes out to sea is a fool cause they risk death by drownning

[Dris]

zeuhl- I thought i'd made it -obviously not.:(
Try googling 'debate' then you'll see its not 'fractious' or 'argumentative' its people who are presenting views which might mean reaching a common ground.
Thus I didnt understand why the RNLI was being brought in the the Chandler farce.
If I havent made myself clear im sorry but im not in the mood to to be brought to book over my comments/support of the RNLI.I simply wont.

[DTCwordfan]

I reiterate - if they received advice on the dangers of the area offshore from the Seychelles they were bloody foolish to go there and, in my opinion, should make some restitution for costs incurred from extracting them/charitable donation.

If they did not receive such data, then fair enough; they walked into a nasty situation and should benefit (though giving up 10/15/20 percent to Clifford is somewhat distasteful).