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Burglary? how bad is it?
Our Judiciary seem to think it's not at all bad and tend not to use sentencing powers they already have.
I tend to think it is a personal violation and should be treated as such. Some people take it better than others, some have to move they feel so violated. So how bad is it? Do you think Judges/beaks would be more severe if they had some scrote going through their undie draw or crapping on the lounge carpet? Do you think it should always be custodial?
I tend to think it is a personal violation and should be treated as such. Some people take it better than others, some have to move they feel so violated. So how bad is it? Do you think Judges/beaks would be more severe if they had some scrote going through their undie draw or crapping on the lounge carpet? Do you think it should always be custodial?
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I have sat in a magistrates court and heard a trial involving a young woman that broke in to steal food. That was all she took.
Should she have gone to prison for 5 years (as per your previous post)?
Let me ask you a question?
If you had a 5 year minimum term for burglary, what do you think would happen to the person when they came out?
I have sat in a magistrates court and heard a trial involving a young woman that broke in to steal food. That was all she took.
Should she have gone to prison for 5 years (as per your previous post)?
Let me ask you a question?
If you had a 5 year minimum term for burglary, what do you think would happen to the person when they came out?
vic Quoting extreme cases is not the answer really is it. By the same token the scumbag that trashes your house and nicks all your personla treasures, should he just do 20 hours community service. Let me ask you a question what is going to happen to him.
Certainly not the liberal view that he wont do it again I can assure you.
Plus breaking in for food is no excuse and will undoubtedly lead to bigger things next time if you get away with it.
The problem is our uselesss judiciary use the leniancy for cases like this all too often that is why people will start demanding high minium terms that will affect your case. Dont blame R1 blame the limp wristed liberal leftie elite that have infilatrated outr system.
Certainly not the liberal view that he wont do it again I can assure you.
Plus breaking in for food is no excuse and will undoubtedly lead to bigger things next time if you get away with it.
The problem is our uselesss judiciary use the leniancy for cases like this all too often that is why people will start demanding high minium terms that will affect your case. Dont blame R1 blame the limp wristed liberal leftie elite that have infilatrated outr system.
Plus breaking in for food is no excuse and will undoubtedly lead to bigger things next time if you get away with it.
Really. So once a person has committed a criminal act, that's it? Have you ever stolen stationary or photocopying or a telephone call from work? Get away with it? Then go on to steal the payroll?
I repeat the question - what do you want to see from a prisoner?
Do you want them to serve their time and then that's it (paying no attention to what happens to them after prison)
Or would you like to see if they can be rehabilitated?
Really. So once a person has committed a criminal act, that's it? Have you ever stolen stationary or photocopying or a telephone call from work? Get away with it? Then go on to steal the payroll?
I repeat the question - what do you want to see from a prisoner?
Do you want them to serve their time and then that's it (paying no attention to what happens to them after prison)
Or would you like to see if they can be rehabilitated?
It depends on the circumstances - stealing someone's garden gnome from the front lawn shouldn't warrant a prison sentence. Also, things like shoplifting could be dealt with in other ways, depending on how many previous offences there were.
In other cases where houses are violated and trashed or where violence is involved this is alot more serious and should be dealt with as such.
Traditionally the judiciary views theft pretty seriously anyway. It's seems to be cases where people are stabbed, raped, mugged, run over by some pi5sed up boy racer that they come over all woolly and liberal.
In other cases where houses are violated and trashed or where violence is involved this is alot more serious and should be dealt with as such.
Traditionally the judiciary views theft pretty seriously anyway. It's seems to be cases where people are stabbed, raped, mugged, run over by some pi5sed up boy racer that they come over all woolly and liberal.
vic rehabilitate in Jail, if they are in for 5 years then plenty of time.
I have to ask why is someone breaking in for food? I thought this caring sharing lefty government liek dishing out freebies so why the need to steal food. Personallyu I think that is hogwash. Probably rumbled before could get to the Jewlery or cr*p on the carpet.
If you break in to somewhere you should go to Jail end of.
I have to ask why is someone breaking in for food? I thought this caring sharing lefty government liek dishing out freebies so why the need to steal food. Personallyu I think that is hogwash. Probably rumbled before could get to the Jewlery or cr*p on the carpet.
If you break in to somewhere you should go to Jail end of.
Ok well I can't cover all the possible cases in a few sentences but I would say generally speaking if someone breaks into someone's house and steals things or does damage, is caught in the process or afterwards = 5 years jail, 2nd time -10 years jail, 3 time = throw away the key. At the same time make the jails less like Butlins and we'd be starting to make progress. They should be given all the help to rahab in jail if they take it then all well and good. The main rehab though will be the fear of going back, Geezer law is what these scum bags need.
I don't care what happens to them, I care about a) them not going back b) others not going in in the first place. c) Eliminationg burglary as a career choice.
Find me one (just one) example of a country that has put more people in jail, or have increased the length of jail terms, and it has had a reduction in crime.
in England and Wales the prison population has risen from 66,000 in 2001, to 82,800 in June 2008.
Wow - your method seems to be working just great.
Find me one (just one) example of a country that has put more people in jail, or have increased the length of jail terms, and it has had a reduction in crime.
in England and Wales the prison population has risen from 66,000 in 2001, to 82,800 in June 2008.
Wow - your method seems to be working just great.
One of the famous Law Lords once said,
"Hunger is not an excuse for stealing food, but should be taken into account when sentencing".
I agree that having minimum terms will result in some perverse sentences being meted out.............but surely this would be the flip-side of what we currently experience ?
I believe that he entire courts and sentencing system needs putting in a big sack and shaking until a sensinsible and equitable solution falls out.
"Hunger is not an excuse for stealing food, but should be taken into account when sentencing".
I agree that having minimum terms will result in some perverse sentences being meted out.............but surely this would be the flip-side of what we currently experience ?
I believe that he entire courts and sentencing system needs putting in a big sack and shaking until a sensinsible and equitable solution falls out.
naomi - how do we stop them? Honest answer is I don't know. I have never done research into what will or will not work, I have not looked at other countries' methods and I am not in a position to say "this will work".
What is obvious is that the system does need changing. As mentioned before, we are locking up more people than ever before - so obviously jail is not a deterrent.
What I do know is that we should look at ALL options - and that includes looking at community services and not sending them to jail. That is what the consultation document that has promoted this thread is all about - talking about it, and looking at alternatives.
I have been in a jail (to visit someone), and I know that some people on here have been in before - It is really not a holiday camp by any stretch of the imagination.
Just try and visualise, not going out of your property for the next 5 years. Not having a choice of what to eat. Having to shower with other people. Not being able to go for a walk when you fancy. Not being able to go to the kitchen to have a snack or a beer. Not being able to go to the pub. Not being able to cuddle up to your partner.
If this is your idea of a holiday then fair enough.
What is obvious is that the system does need changing. As mentioned before, we are locking up more people than ever before - so obviously jail is not a deterrent.
What I do know is that we should look at ALL options - and that includes looking at community services and not sending them to jail. That is what the consultation document that has promoted this thread is all about - talking about it, and looking at alternatives.
I have been in a jail (to visit someone), and I know that some people on here have been in before - It is really not a holiday camp by any stretch of the imagination.
Just try and visualise, not going out of your property for the next 5 years. Not having a choice of what to eat. Having to shower with other people. Not being able to go for a walk when you fancy. Not being able to go to the kitchen to have a snack or a beer. Not being able to go to the pub. Not being able to cuddle up to your partner.
If this is your idea of a holiday then fair enough.
criminologists usually say that the main deterrence is not the severity of punishment but the certainty of it. In other words, knowing you'll be caught. The only time I've been burgled (about 20 years ago) the police seemed uninterested in finding the thieves, and in fact didn't do so. I think that's probably a good point to start if you want to stop it happening. Fortification (bars on ground-floor windows etc) might help too; burglaries seem to be opportunistic rather than planned (not always). And I don't know that judges are particularly immune to them.
But as to whether it's a personal violation - well, I haven't been personally violated so I don't know; but if you asked, say, a rape victim if she'd prefer to have been burgled instead, I suspect she'd say yes. There is a difference in degree here.
But as to whether it's a personal violation - well, I haven't been personally violated so I don't know; but if you asked, say, a rape victim if she'd prefer to have been burgled instead, I suspect she'd say yes. There is a difference in degree here.
We were burgled,we were 'lucky' because nothing was damaged just turned upside down.They stole money,bank cards,credit cards etc and my engagement ring.I had taken it off to put hand cream on and forgotten to put it on. The money and cards tc were replaced but I will NEVER forgive them for my ring.My husband worked in a local petrol station and the Police thought they might have been looking for the keys to the garage so either they followed him home or it was someone we knew!! The culprits were not caught,the Police didn't rate it as a serious crime.
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