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AOG
What's all this about The Daily Mail reporting lies about Eastern Europeans?
Swan poaching?
Serious question - why does The Mail hate Eastern Europeans?
Abolsutely serious question. I mean, I know you're a regular reader...have you noticed the increasingly nasty tone to their reporting about new migrants? Doesn't it ever seem a bit...well...rabid at times?
What's all this about The Daily Mail reporting lies about Eastern Europeans?
Swan poaching?
Serious question - why does The Mail hate Eastern Europeans?
Abolsutely serious question. I mean, I know you're a regular reader...have you noticed the increasingly nasty tone to their reporting about new migrants? Doesn't it ever seem a bit...well...rabid at times?
Angler David Gibson, 42, revealed how he saw a pile of swan wings in the camp on Tuesday.
He said: "It's vile. You could see where they'd snapped off the wings and plucked them before cooking.
Three tents remained in the camp on Wednesday. Two young Poles living there refused to come out and speak to reporters but denied taking the swans.
A Romanian bible and cooking equipment could be seen outside another tent, while putrid food and thousands of feathers were nearby the third.
The discovery comes six months after it was revealed that Polish and Lithuanian immigrants in Bedfordshire appeared to be killing swans for food.
They were spotted trying to drag the 20lb birds away from the Grand Union Canal, while remains of butchered swans were found on the towpath in Leighton Buzzard.
I can see no proof that the Daily Mail lied in any way. They only reported that a large number of swans had been slaughted. The evidence is pretty damning that the immigrants are to blame, but this was not reported by the Daily Mail. There are some on this site who would prefer matters not to be reported if they appear to be at all discriminative against immigrants.
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He said: "It's vile. You could see where they'd snapped off the wings and plucked them before cooking.
Three tents remained in the camp on Wednesday. Two young Poles living there refused to come out and speak to reporters but denied taking the swans.
A Romanian bible and cooking equipment could be seen outside another tent, while putrid food and thousands of feathers were nearby the third.
The discovery comes six months after it was revealed that Polish and Lithuanian immigrants in Bedfordshire appeared to be killing swans for food.
They were spotted trying to drag the 20lb birds away from the Grand Union Canal, while remains of butchered swans were found on the towpath in Leighton Buzzard.
I can see no proof that the Daily Mail lied in any way. They only reported that a large number of swans had been slaughted. The evidence is pretty damning that the immigrants are to blame, but this was not reported by the Daily Mail. There are some on this site who would prefer matters not to be reported if they appear to be at all discriminative against immigrants.
Cont.
Take a look at the Mail's language. It's invariably emotive and vitriolic. You won't find language like that elsewhere. Well, except the red-tops.
Yet another generalisation.
EMOTIVE, Expressing or exciting emotion
VITRIOLIC, Bitterly scathing criticism.
This type of language is metered out numourous times on this very site.
The media i.e newspapers, films, TV, radio, use language like this all the time, when they want to make people sit up and take notice. how else do they get their particular message across regarding injustices metered out by other countries for example. It is totally wrong to be selective.
It is also used to great effect in the world of advertising.
Thank you for your apology, regarding your mistake.
Yet another generalisation.
EMOTIVE, Expressing or exciting emotion
VITRIOLIC, Bitterly scathing criticism.
This type of language is metered out numourous times on this very site.
The media i.e newspapers, films, TV, radio, use language like this all the time, when they want to make people sit up and take notice. how else do they get their particular message across regarding injustices metered out by other countries for example. It is totally wrong to be selective.
It is also used to great effect in the world of advertising.
Thank you for your apology, regarding your mistake.
sp1814
What's all this about The Daily Mail reporting lies about Eastern Europeans?
The Daily Mail did not print lies, a generalisation set by Kromo.
Serious question - why does The Mail hate Eastern Europeans?
How can this be a serious question, where is the proof that they hate Eastern Europeans. They perhaps feel more free to report on the problems of the huge influx of immigrants from the Eastern Block countries, without the colour card being played, than if they were to also report on problems caused by immigrants from Pakistan, the Caribbean and Africa.
Abolsutely serious question. I mean, I know you're a regular reader...have you noticed the increasingly nasty tone to their reporting about new migrants? Doesn't it ever seem a bit...well...rabid at times?
What's all this about The Daily Mail reporting lies about Eastern Europeans?
The Daily Mail did not print lies, a generalisation set by Kromo.
Serious question - why does The Mail hate Eastern Europeans?
How can this be a serious question, where is the proof that they hate Eastern Europeans. They perhaps feel more free to report on the problems of the huge influx of immigrants from the Eastern Block countries, without the colour card being played, than if they were to also report on problems caused by immigrants from Pakistan, the Caribbean and Africa.
Abolsutely serious question. I mean, I know you're a regular reader...have you noticed the increasingly nasty tone to their reporting about new migrants? Doesn't it ever seem a bit...well...rabid at times?
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I can see no proof that the Daily Mail lied in any way.
I've provided quite a lengthy description of the misleading nature of the story in the thread I gave a link to. The story was originally published by the Sun, and at the time was largely proved to be false. As I've said before, the Mail doesn't outright lie - it just cherrypicks evidence and severely distorts things. I called it 'poor reporting', not lying.
I'll respond to the rest of your posts later when I have time to read it all properly. That bit just caught my eye
I've provided quite a lengthy description of the misleading nature of the story in the thread I gave a link to. The story was originally published by the Sun, and at the time was largely proved to be false. As I've said before, the Mail doesn't outright lie - it just cherrypicks evidence and severely distorts things. I called it 'poor reporting', not lying.
I'll respond to the rest of your posts later when I have time to read it all properly. That bit just caught my eye
On the contrary Gromit, it is much of the same, you just can't cherry pick to get your point over. The London Press Club Awards is not a narrowly restricted affair as you wish to point out. It is just another press awards ceremony that happened to make the Daily Mail the top paper.
http://www.londonpressclub.co.uk/index.shtml
Incidently I notice that at the other awards ceremony published in the Guardian, they awarded Daily Mail Editor, Paul Dacre, the first ever lifetime achievement award.
Having said that, perhaps you will now allow me to cherry pick ? The Sun won more awards than any other paper, you couldn't make it up could you?
http://www.londonpressclub.co.uk/index.shtml
Incidently I notice that at the other awards ceremony published in the Guardian, they awarded Daily Mail Editor, Paul Dacre, the first ever lifetime achievement award.
Having said that, perhaps you will now allow me to cherry pick ? The Sun won more awards than any other paper, you couldn't make it up could you?
Kromo.
So I was right then? I will repeat, "I can see no proof that the Daily Mail lied in any way"
Don't bother to reply any further, I am now getting rather bored. I think we are just going over and over the same ground.
You have not convinced me in any way that the D.M. lies. What I am convinced of is the fact that, it is the likes of you who are constantly being rather liberal with the truth, so as to somehow further your cause.
So I was right then? I will repeat, "I can see no proof that the Daily Mail lied in any way"
Don't bother to reply any further, I am now getting rather bored. I think we are just going over and over the same ground.
You have not convinced me in any way that the D.M. lies. What I am convinced of is the fact that, it is the likes of you who are constantly being rather liberal with the truth, so as to somehow further your cause.
My Dad's dead, AOG. As you know.
Of course, you're absolutely right to say that emotive and vitriolic language is frequently used in advertising, and on this site.
But advertising, by its very nature, is biased. It sets out to promote an agenda and persuade the public to fall into line. It doesn't attempt to be dispassionate or biased.
Personally, that isn't the approach I want or expect in a so-called news outlet. If I wanted an outpuring of bitter ranting, I'd come to AB. That's what you're here for.
Of course, you're absolutely right to say that emotive and vitriolic language is frequently used in advertising, and on this site.
But advertising, by its very nature, is biased. It sets out to promote an agenda and persuade the public to fall into line. It doesn't attempt to be dispassionate or biased.
Personally, that isn't the approach I want or expect in a so-called news outlet. If I wanted an outpuring of bitter ranting, I'd come to AB. That's what you're here for.
AOG
The London Press Club is a late night drinking den for London journalists. If the award was of equal value to The British Press Awards, why did the Mail not mention (or hide) who they were getting the award from? Why did they describe it to sound like the more prestigious and more well know British Press Awards? It was an attempt at deception and rather foolishly you fell for it.
But you still want to believe the lie even when I present you with the truth, so I regret that you are beyond redemption.
The London Press Club is a late night drinking den for London journalists. If the award was of equal value to The British Press Awards, why did the Mail not mention (or hide) who they were getting the award from? Why did they describe it to sound like the more prestigious and more well know British Press Awards? It was an attempt at deception and rather foolishly you fell for it.
But you still want to believe the lie even when I present you with the truth, so I regret that you are beyond redemption.
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Kleenex is the Ar$epaper of the year
I wouldn't even wipe my ar$e with the daily mail as there is enough cr@p in it already!
This is a typical uneducated, knuckle dragging Neolithic answer we have come to expect from the Loony Left. Those that hover for morsels of bait, dangled before them by the more free thinking and liberated Right-Wing.
Doesn't it make you proud Gromit to associated with the likes of A Pickle, along with the rest of your pathetic pack of baying hounds?
Kleenex is the Ar$epaper of the year
I wouldn't even wipe my ar$e with the daily mail as there is enough cr@p in it already!
This is a typical uneducated, knuckle dragging Neolithic answer we have come to expect from the Loony Left. Those that hover for morsels of bait, dangled before them by the more free thinking and liberated Right-Wing.
Doesn't it make you proud Gromit to associated with the likes of A Pickle, along with the rest of your pathetic pack of baying hounds?
You have not convinced me in any way that the D.M. lies.
That's not what I was trying to convince you of. I don't think I've ever said that the DM outright lies. What I've been trying to show (and that I notice you've avoided) is that it's reporting is poor in quality because of the way in which it heavily distorts its evidence and twists what little it has. I've provided very clear examples of this in another thread which I have linked to.
You're right on one thing though. Using a story published several years ago in a highly uncredible paper that was proved largely wrong afterwards, and rehashing it with new language isn't lying. But it's hardly commendable journalism.
What I am convinced of is the fact that, it is the likes of you who are constantly being rather liberal with the truth, so as to somehow further your cause.
I repeat: I've provided very clear examples elsewhere of phoney reporting. If you like, I can provide more.
That's not what I was trying to convince you of. I don't think I've ever said that the DM outright lies. What I've been trying to show (and that I notice you've avoided) is that it's reporting is poor in quality because of the way in which it heavily distorts its evidence and twists what little it has. I've provided very clear examples of this in another thread which I have linked to.
You're right on one thing though. Using a story published several years ago in a highly uncredible paper that was proved largely wrong afterwards, and rehashing it with new language isn't lying. But it's hardly commendable journalism.
What I am convinced of is the fact that, it is the likes of you who are constantly being rather liberal with the truth, so as to somehow further your cause.
I repeat: I've provided very clear examples elsewhere of phoney reporting. If you like, I can provide more.
The media i.e newspapers, films, TV, radio, use language like this all the time, when they want to make people sit up and take notice. how else do they get their particular message across regarding injustices metered out by other countries for example. It is totally wrong to be selective.
You can't generalise on the functions within the media. Adverts, for instance, are meant to make you want something. TV and film is usually meant to tell a story or develop characters. When I see it on AB I usually have to supress a chuckle, to be honest.
Newspapers are fundamentally meant to inform their readers. Not tell people what to think. Sure, they can have an argument on the issue (I cite the Economist as an argumentative self-described newspaper which is extremely informative) but there's a difference between informing with an opinion and cherry-picking evidence and stories to fit an individual slant.
You can't generalise on the functions within the media. Adverts, for instance, are meant to make you want something. TV and film is usually meant to tell a story or develop characters. When I see it on AB I usually have to supress a chuckle, to be honest.
Newspapers are fundamentally meant to inform their readers. Not tell people what to think. Sure, they can have an argument on the issue (I cite the Economist as an argumentative self-described newspaper which is extremely informative) but there's a difference between informing with an opinion and cherry-picking evidence and stories to fit an individual slant.
Kromo
Although I really want to draw a line under this discussion, I feel I must give you the courtesy of an answer.
I have to disagree with you that the Daily Mail reporting is lazy or poor in quality. Take for example your Swan story. The way I see it is that it was the Sun who distorted the evidence, the DM took up the story, sent out a reporter to try and shed some light into the fact that swans had been slaughtered, and then reported it's findings.
The Daily Mail is a highly commendable newspaper, and reports on matters that some papers are afraid to highlight in case it offends certain people.
But to use an analogy, take film/theatre/art critics they will report their opinions, but they are not necessarily the opinion of others. Therefore perhaps you are expressing your opinion on a particular newspaper, and I am doing likewise. So I think we must agree to disagree, but having said that, it just annoys me, this constant relentless Daily Mail bashing.
Newspapers are fundamentally meant to inform their readers. Not tell people what to think.
This is a broad statement, and I am afraid you are living in cloud-cuckoo land if you really believe this. They would like to tell people what to think, as do all media. How else do they attempt get their own particular message across, be it on global warming, injustices in the world etc, etc.
They certainly can not force a person what to think, it is up to the individual to read, absorb and then make up one's own mind.
Although I really want to draw a line under this discussion, I feel I must give you the courtesy of an answer.
I have to disagree with you that the Daily Mail reporting is lazy or poor in quality. Take for example your Swan story. The way I see it is that it was the Sun who distorted the evidence, the DM took up the story, sent out a reporter to try and shed some light into the fact that swans had been slaughtered, and then reported it's findings.
The Daily Mail is a highly commendable newspaper, and reports on matters that some papers are afraid to highlight in case it offends certain people.
But to use an analogy, take film/theatre/art critics they will report their opinions, but they are not necessarily the opinion of others. Therefore perhaps you are expressing your opinion on a particular newspaper, and I am doing likewise. So I think we must agree to disagree, but having said that, it just annoys me, this constant relentless Daily Mail bashing.
Newspapers are fundamentally meant to inform their readers. Not tell people what to think.
This is a broad statement, and I am afraid you are living in cloud-cuckoo land if you really believe this. They would like to tell people what to think, as do all media. How else do they attempt get their own particular message across, be it on global warming, injustices in the world etc, etc.
They certainly can not force a person what to think, it is up to the individual to read, absorb and then make up one's own mind.
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