Dogs

[4getmenot]

After reading the horrible article of the baby girl being killed by 2 rottweilers at the weekend I'd like to ask do you think these attacks that are happening more frequently now, are the fault of the owners or the dogs?

[flubber]

Rottweillers/Alsations that are trained are dangerous. They are trained to do a job. What person in their right mind will let a child into a situation where guard dogs are present?

It's easy to blame the dogs but dogs simply do what they are trained to do and the fault is not theirs.

Personally I think the parent was irresponsible and a dog or dog(s) will be destroyed simply because they were trained to protect and cannot differentiate between age of who enters where they are guarding. You do not take a child into a place where a guard dog is simply doing its duty. The result was horrific and tragic - the dogs acted as trained and why did the parent put their child into a place of high risk in the first place? Blame the stupid parent, not the dogs.

[4getmenot]

But then there was that story of the woman with the face transplant, would you call that dog dangerous when he mauled her face to try and wake her up from her overdose. These dogs probably just thought the baby was a toy rather than protecting anything. and nowadays even cats can get near a child and suffocate them. Maybe I'm just worried about all pets because of my phobia.

[4getmenot]

I am agreeing with flubber more and more here. Not nice to blame anyone who's child has just died but I think flubbers right. And as I said the dig that mauled that womans face was put down, when all it was doing was trying to save its owner.

[admarlow]

In general, when people are hurt by dogs it is the owners fault, but I think that any dog that harms a human should be put down.

[4getmenot]

yes I can agree admarlow. they then have a taste for blood and you dont know that they wont do it again whether it just them being protective or not. Just like a person is jailed for murder even when it was self defence. I went round a house once where the owners have a staffi and they also had a one year old girl and a 3 year old boy and even though they out the dog away they continued to tell me how playful he is and that the children mess about with him all the time. That really scared me, coz you never know when they can snap.

[4getmenot]

But then my old dog bit the postman once but he was chasing his bike and the postman kicked him. If he'd have been put down then I would have kicked up a fuss at that.

[lankeela]

Now you've really gone over the top 4getmenot. Dogs killing because they get a taste for blood? In that case any dog who ever ate a raw bone would be trying to kill the next person it met.

Give us a proper, intelligent, well though out argument and you might just be taken notice of - not just the irrational ramblings of someone who admits they have a phobia about dogs.

I repeat, I suspect these were not 'trained' guard dogs, and I blame both the owners of the dogs and also the parents of the child. And how could a 5 month old baby get into where the dogs were by itself?

[admarlow]

I love the line '' oh he's great with kids, and he has only ever bitten somone once!''

[lankeela]

If I am ever asked 'is he alright with kids'. I always reply, is he/she alright with dogs?

[jedimistress]

Agree completely with you Lankeela. To have the dogs stuck on a rooftop all theri life is also a little cruel in my opinion. Something I hate to see.

[saxy_jag]

The child's grandparents have been attacked and stabbed. The grandmother was killed and the grandfather is very seriously injured. I can't make out whether these people are the same grandparents who owned the dogs.

[4getmenot]

I wasnt after a debate I was after an answer from you. and I am just giving my opinion, so get off your high horse thinking you know everything about dogs and I meant human blood which I hope most dogs havent tried!, and I did say myself the dogs may have got into where the baby was if you've read any of the articles on it today. No-one else has had to argue or want to argue or have a 'debate' and I have taken everybodies opinion into acount apart from yours because yours only seems to be an opinion on me which I didnt ask for. And intelligent is answering the question in your first post like all the others have managed to do.

[4getmenot]

I thought they were on holiday saxy-jagg, where did you get this info from? did this happen in the past? is that why they have the guard dogs?

[4getmenot]

why do some people think posts are for an argument and there is a right and wrong side, jeez

[Miss Inquiry]

Something about this is all very wrong!

The BBC are not making it clear and the ITV news says:

"The landlord and his wife, believed to be the baby's grandparents, were are on holiday. It is unknown if it is these are the family members who have now been attacked"

[saxy_jag]

4getmenot - it was just announced on the local news - the stabbing happened just down the road from us, about a mile or so away from the pub.

Like I said, I don't know whether they were the same grandparents as the ones who run the pub, but that would make little difference to some of the types around here.

[saxy_jag]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestersh ire/5378816.stm

[andy-hughes]

Hello gevs 1966 - I don't think I strayed from rationality in my answer - but we may agree to differ on that point. The Question asked if attacks are the fault of the owners, or the dogs, and my answer underlines my point that it is the owners who are to blame - mainly for anthropomorphising their pet into some kind of gentle uncle-type figure, instead of a domesticated animal, which it is - up to a point, and only up to a point, which is the thrust of my answer.

[4getmenot]

thanks saxy, thats a bit strange isnt it. Because as Miss Inquiry (informative as always) said it did say on the news they were on holiday. Poor family.

[redcrx]

lankeela, who said you have to take notice of 4getmenot? You took notice enough to answer the question and give your thoughts so please be polite enough to listen to hers. A phobia of dogs does not mean that she has written them all off as killers, she just has a wariness of them. And as far as i can see thats the best way to be, to understand that any dog has got it in them to fight regardless of if they are large and powerful enough to kill or just maul.
The news of that poor baby is hoffific but even a rottweiler breader on tv this morning admitted that without the correct training they can be very dangerous and someone else commented on the way they lived (looking down from a roof terrace) and how it would affect the way they veiwed people.
I think that dog training should be made law to do everything we can to prevent this sort of thing happening and within this training should be an education into why dogs attack and how to keep people safe from attack.
I would not wish this tragedy on anyone, its so sad.